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NCAA legal battle continues, could open door for college athletes to form unions

Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:15 am
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:15 am
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A legal battle that would open the door for some college athletes to form unions took an expected, yet significant step forward Thursday when the National Labor Relations Board issued a complaint against the NCAA, the Pac-12 and USC for unfair labor practices.

Those three parties will argue against lawyers from the NLRB in a hearing scheduled for Nov. 7. The hearing is the next step in one of several mounting challenges to the NCAA's fundamental belief that college athletes are not employees and thus should not be paid directly for their athletic performance.

If athletes -- this complaint applies only to football, men's basketball and women's basketball players -- are viewed as employees under the National Labor Relations Act, they would have the ability to organize and collectively bargain against schools for a larger share of the billions of dollars of revenue generated by college sports each year as well as other workplace protections.

The NCAA has been firm in its stance that college athletes should not be employees of their schools. The NCAA believes making athletes into employees could lead to a system where athletes could be fired for poor performance and create complications for international athletes as well Title IX compliance.

The complaint against USC, Pac-12 and the NCAA was filed in February 2022 by the National College Players Association, an advocacy group that was involved in pushing states to write the legislation that forced the NCAA to change its policies on players making money from name, image and likeness deals.

NCPA founder Ramogi Huma said Thursday that they believe this process will prove athletes are entitled to all the rights and protections of employees in America.

"FBS football players and NCAA Division I men's and women's basketball players, the majority of whom are Black, are exploited physically and economically by NCAA sports," Huma said in a statement. "One of the reasons this injustice continues to plague all athletes in these sports nationwide is because NCAA sports has denied them rights under labor law."

The decision by Abruzzo's staff to pursue all three groups as joint employers creates the possibility that all college athletes could be granted the right to unionize as a result of this case. The NLRB doesn't have jurisdiction over public universities, so the courts would need to determine that conferences and the NCAA act as an employer in order for their decision to apply to all schools competing in college sports.

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This is it, people. If you believe in the concept of “student-athletes” and think the current implementation of NIL is detrimental to college sports, this is the case to continue watching.

As discussed here previously, the idea that players are employees will fundamentally end the argument that amateurism (or what's left of it) is essential to football and basketball.
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:19 am to
If you make all athletes employees and combined with Title IX - it's gonna be a blood bath for men's sports and cuts
Football rosters may become more NFL like as far as numbers.
The unlimited supports staffs would go away to be able to balance the budget.

Plus some schools may shutter athletics for good and go back to their original mission as educators.
Posted by Hback
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:24 am to
Funny how the NLRB dismissed a petition by Northwestern football players who were seeking to unionize in 2015, effectively denying their claim that they were university employees and should be allowed to collectively bargain.

Gee, so who else is getting paid now?
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:31 am to
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dismissed a petition by Northwestern football players

I believe this one is in the state of California.

We can all therefore make assumptions on how it will go.

Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:36 am to
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If you make all athletes employees and combined with Title IX - it's gonna be a blood bath

Yep. Fiscally impossible to support, and that doesn't even consider the cost of employee benefits for thousands of athletes.

What these players probably don't realize it that it will also open the door for them getting fired after a few poor performances on the field (or in practice).
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:43 am to
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What these players probably don't realize it that it will also open the door for them getting fired after a few poor performances on the field (or in practice).


Secretly, we want that as fans. Publicly, no way anyone admits that.
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:50 am to
Please let this happen so it can't accelerate it's demise.
Posted by Hback
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:50 am to

True. It just seems a bit funny the NLRB has made an about face on the issue (jmho).

Posted by JetDawg
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:52 am to
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I believe this one is in the state of California.

We can all therefore make assumptions on how it will go.

Agree...college sports continues down its spiral slide, like everything else here in this country.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:57 am to
Nlrb didn't dismiss the petition. Nlrb supported unionization.

Courts stopped it.

Nlrb us a pro labor/union organization now and has been. Government bureaucracy
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:00 am to
I think what you're alluding to has been an issue (maybe the issue) in college sports for a long time — handlers — whether it be agents, lawyers, an "uncle," an AAU coach, etc.

Just like the O'Bannon lawsuit, it starts with someone convincing these young kids that they need to get paid. And maybe they do.

But what they don't consider is the potential to fundamentally change the sport in the process, even in a way that adversely affects those kids.

A lot of those outside entities are just looking to ride coattails to get theirs, and probably don't really care.
Posted by OlGrandad
Member since Oct 2009
4044 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:00 am to
This will allow us to see exactly what the phrase "the tail wagging the dog" means.

Posted by TouchdownTony
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:03 am to
Ok fine but then you become an employee and are subject to termination for any number of causes. Poor performance, tardiness, not executing a play correctly as you were instructed which is insubordination, not following a dress code, using inappropriate language. You would also be subject to expenses as laid out by your employer and don’t forget your union dues.

I’ll bet my friggin house that these folks wanting to bring this about haven’t thought one second about this.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:06 am to
In a historical perspective, unions are struggling with international competition and automation.

So they are aiming for younger and younger people who haven't seen/remembered issues from unions.

It is an obvious strategy for a union win.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 9:08 am
Posted by Hback
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:07 am to
Never saw where they supported unionization. NLRB declined to assert jurisdiction in the case and would not determine if the players were statutory employees under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA).

NLRB Decision
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:10 am to
I bow out.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:17 am to
I foresee this as the deathblow to college athletics if it happens (student-athletes are reclassified as employees).
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:21 am to
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I bow out.

I mean it's a free farm league for the NFL already. This will essentially create a semi-pro league.

If you can't make a roster, why not go back down and play in college for a while? Employees wouldn't be bound by academic qualifications or eligibility, right?

"Sorry, we don't have room for any more high-schoolers this year, we're hiring a journeyman QB from the CFL, and a 28-year-old RB from the XFL who looks really good."

Who wouldn't love to go back to campus and tailgate and for that?

Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:28 am to
College athletics can't keep up with unintended consequences now under the state-defined laws of NIL.

Even with the new president of the NCAA and promises of addressing NIL in a responsible way it really seems hopeless in thinking they have the power to legislate their way to a fair and uniform conclusion for everyone in college sports.

I honestly have no idea how the show goes on unless Universities can get the feds involved in defining who these players are, defining NIL and pay-for-play.
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