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The SEC Tournament's renewal after a 27 year hiatus started back on this date in 1979

Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:27 pm
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:27 pm
For the tl/dr crowd, there are plenty of Brandon Miller pillow fights to engage .

Hard to believe next week starts the 44th year of the revival of the tournament. For an old guy like me the fact that its now been going 17 years longer than it was dormant. I remember in '79 thinking 1952 might as well have been 1952.

Really odd format, that only lasted this one year. The top two seeds, regular season champion LSU and second place finisher Tennessee received two day byes. 3 seed through 10 started day one and would the winners would play the following day while the Tigers and Vols rested.

Some pretty interesting story lines during the tournament. After Georgia's upset of Mississippi State on day one, Georgia's Walter Daniels' father died of a heart attack at his home in Macon. Daniels drove from Birmingham to Macon to be with his family and drove back to Birmingham to play Auburn,who had upset 3 seed Vanderbilt, 59-53.

That Auburn-Georgia game followed the Kentucky-Alabama game that was won by Kentucky, 101-100 played of course,with no shot clock or 3-pt line.

Then the Auburn-Georgia game went into four overtimes,with Auburn winning, 95-91. Amazingly Georgia never lead in the game. Georgia's night got worse. Remember this was 1979 and food options and planning were different. The game ended well after midnight and the restaurants at Georgia's hotel were closed. So the Bulldogs' bus drove to a nearby Waffle House. They are created to police cars and yellow tape as the WH had just been robbed. Georgia then went back to the motel with coaches and players providing one another change for vending machine snacks.

Vanderbilt, 18-9 and 12-6 in the SEC who had spent most of January and early February in the top 20, had their coach Wayne Dobbs named UPI SEC Coach of the year. Three days later after Dobbs won the award, Vanderbilt athletic director Roy Kramer dismissed him. Kramer's good friend from the Midwest,Bob Knight called Kramer and recommended a fomrer player and assistant of his.Kramer thanked him and told him he was leaning towards a former Louisville HS coach, Richard Schmidt who was an assistant at Virginia. So, Mike Kryzezewski stayed at Army.

Kentucky blasted regular season champ LSU 80-67,much worse than the final margin would indicate.With this being year one of the SEC Tourney and the NCAA only in year 5 of more than one team from a conference getting an NCAA bid, it was presumed LSU would get a bid, but not known for sure.

In the end Tennessee beat Kentucky, 75-69 in OT to win the SEC Tournament. Tennessee and LSU went to the NCAA's and Alabama,Kentucky and Miss State went to the NIT.

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Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:51 pm to
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So, Mike Kryzezewski stayed at Army.


What is interesting about Coach K's timing for going to Duke is that SC poached Bill Foster to replace Frank McGuire. This means at that time SC was the better program and Duke was a stepping stone.

Obviously this all changed after Bill Foster sucked, and Coach K transformed that program
Posted by anc
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:53 pm to
That format, while odd, protects the regular season champ. I noticed the West Coast Conference is using it this year.



4 bottom teams play on day 1
2 winners play next two lowest
2 winners play 3 and 4
2 winners play two best
2 winners play for the NCAA bid.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:57 pm to
well, THAT Bill Foster took Duke to the 1978 National Title game and Elite 8 in 1980 including a win over Kentucky at Rupp in the Sweet 16. Not sure why you think Foster "sucked" or why South Carolina was a better program than Duke.

What's really odd is that in that era the ACC only had seven teams and two school's basketball coaches were named Bill Foster.
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
8630 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:08 pm to
That Bill Foster was the one that ended up at SC and did nothing.


okay, maybe I got a little jumpy. From the time Frank Mcguire came to Carolina, Duke did not do much of anything. When the Gamecocks left the ACC it opened the door for Duke play better. Bill had a good 78' season, but he was terrible at SC
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:14 pm to
isn't this pretty much being dictated by Gonzaga? Seems like they have threatened to leave if they are forced to participate in a 'normal tournament.'
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
15317 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:22 pm to
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That format, while odd, protects the regular season champ. I noticed the West Coast Conference is using it this year.
That makes sense for the low majors where you don't want your undisputed best team have to face 3-4 potential upsets and your conference's auto bid is taken up by someone who is going to be ran out of the gym in the first round.

For the SEC, that format makes no sense.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
19576 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:16 pm to
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That makes sense for the low majors where you don't want your undisputed best team have to face 3-4 potential upsets and your conference's auto bid is taken up by someone who is going to be ran out of the gym in the first round.

For the SEC, that format makes no sense.


Agreed. But in 1979, that was the first year multiple teams from the same conference could make the field.

There were eight conferences that got 2 bids in that tournament.

The SEC, Big 10, Pac 10, Southwest, and ACC were no surprise.

West Coast (USF, Pepperdine), Sun Belt (South Alabama, Jacksonville) and Pacific Coast (Utah State, Pacific) were the surprise.

The tournament was a classic. Indiana State and Larry Bird against Michigan State and Magic. It was also the last Final Four played on a college campus (Utah)

Another cool fact. There were 40 teams, so four regions of 10.

The 1-2 teams played in three regional finals. The fourth regional final matched the 9 and the 10.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:17 pm to
Back when you were in your early 40’s.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:19 pm to
do you just try to screw up every thread? Are you just a retard who's guardian doesn't know you're near a computer?
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
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33039 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:20 pm to
Melt.
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:32 pm to
Great post ... "won by Kentucky, 101-100 played of course,with no shot clock or 3-pt line." I'm guessing that had to be an OT game too? Amazing score if it wasn't with the rules of that era.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:37 pm to
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I'm guessing that had to be an OT game too?


Regulation. Alabama and Kentucky played two of the best games of the 1970's in regulation. 95-93 in Tuscaloosa and this one.
Posted by Godawgs4
Member since Aug 2016
4773 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:53 pm to
The NIT was a much bigger deal in those days.
Posted by Drewbie
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:54 pm to
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This means at that time SC was the better program and Duke was a stepping stone.
The vast majority of Duke's successful history is Coach K. It's gonna be fun watching people come to that realization the next few years now that he's gone.

Coach K is responsible for:

5/5 NCAA Championships
13/17 Final Fours
18/23 Elite Eights
27/32 Sweet Sixteens
37/44 NCAA Tournament Appearances
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 2:59 pm
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:00 pm to
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The NIT was a much bigger deal in those days.



Debatable. All NIT games are televised today. Starting in 1975 when the NCAA expanded the NIT dropped some. The more the NCAA the expanded the more the NIT took a hit. Of all nextworks HBO showed NIT games in the late 1970s with CBS showing the finals.

When the NIT "expanded" and only their "Final Four" was in NY it's merit changed.Now, I think the NIT is fine. Its no different than any minor bowl game which no team would shoot down. But State lost at home that year to Alcorn State in a game not televised,so......
Posted by WRhodesTider
Birmingham, Al
Member since Nov 2005
933 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:08 pm to
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Agreed. But in 1979, that was the first year multiple teams from the same conference could make the field.


I believe that happened in 1974. In 1975, both Alabama and Kentucky made the field.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:13 pm to
Actually, 1975 was the first year. Cruelly for Alabama, the 1974 Mideast Regional was in Tuscaloosa and Alabama tied for first with Vanderbilt.But Vandy swept them and got the bid.The NCAA had some insane rule at the time,if you hosted a regional you couldn't participate in the NIT,or short lived CCA.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68600 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:25 pm to
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isn't this pretty much being dictated by Gonzaga? Seems like they have threatened to leave if they are forced to participate in a 'normal tournament.'

Seems odd Gonzaga would make a demand like that now when they'd easily get a bid, and maybe even a 1 seed, without winning their conference tournament. Their OOC schedule these days is so good (#1 OOC SOS in the country currently) that their conference strength being meh is no longer an issue for them. They'd really have limited options if they wanted to leave because they don't field a football team. They'd just be moving to another G5 conference if they did. Only conference that would be a step up with a bunch of basketball only teams is the Big East
Posted by redeye
Member since Aug 2013
8679 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:26 pm to
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The tournament was a classic. Indiana State and Larry Bird against Michigan State and Magic.


And, of course, the refs screwed Arkansas. Against Indiana State in the Elite 8, Arkansas had the lead and was running the clock out. I forget how, but US Reed fell with the ball, but threw it to a teammate. Refs called him for travelling, although the rule was that you had to physically turn over on the floor, which Reed did not do. Larry Bird hits a game winning shot and the rest is history.

This is how I remember it, but I admit that I may have gotten something wrong, unintentionally.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 3:28 pm
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