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Is there any real way to stop using NIL to buy players?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:22 am
This feels more like a recruiting topic so I'm putting it here.
The idea behind NIL originally was to allow players who performed well on the field to profit off selling their Name/Image/Likeness.
But it didn't take long at all for it to be used to buy recruits... players who had not yet built a brand. It's become part of the recruiting landscape... how much NIL money will your boosters give the player.
While it's technically against the rules to do so, it's pretty clear that it's happening. Is there anything that can be done to make it so that buying recruits is impossible (or perhaps just harder)?
I had thought that maybe making all freshman contracts have to be signed either before the LOI is signed or after the season is halfway through. The contracts themselves CANNOT make payment dependent upon being at a specific school... so those trying to buy recruits would have to give them the money and HOPE they attended the school... or the player would have to attend the school and HOPE the boosters lived up to their promise halfway through the season.
Could something like that help? Or would it be struck down by the courts anyway?
The idea behind NIL originally was to allow players who performed well on the field to profit off selling their Name/Image/Likeness.
But it didn't take long at all for it to be used to buy recruits... players who had not yet built a brand. It's become part of the recruiting landscape... how much NIL money will your boosters give the player.
While it's technically against the rules to do so, it's pretty clear that it's happening. Is there anything that can be done to make it so that buying recruits is impossible (or perhaps just harder)?
I had thought that maybe making all freshman contracts have to be signed either before the LOI is signed or after the season is halfway through. The contracts themselves CANNOT make payment dependent upon being at a specific school... so those trying to buy recruits would have to give them the money and HOPE they attended the school... or the player would have to attend the school and HOPE the boosters lived up to their promise halfway through the season.
Could something like that help? Or would it be struck down by the courts anyway?
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:25 am to DawginSC
Pandora's box has been opened
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:26 am to DawginSC
Not until college football breaks away from the NCAA
Then the conferences will make the rules and teams will have to follow
Then the conferences will make the rules and teams will have to follow
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:37 am to DawginSC
quote:What NIL collective will get on board with paying $$ to a recruit for his name/likeness/image if there's no guaranteed that kid is going to represent the school the NIL collective funds?
I had thought that maybe making all freshman contracts have to be signed either before the LOI is signed or after the season is halfway through. The contracts themselves CANNOT make payment dependent upon being at a specific school... so those trying to buy recruits would have to give them the money and HOPE they attended the school... or the player would have to attend the school and HOPE the boosters lived up to their promise halfway through the season.
If I'm a booster pouring $$ into Bama's NIL Collective, I'm damn sure not going to agree to pay some 5* basketball recruit only to watch him end up a Louisville.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:13 am to DawginSC
I don't think legally that would hold up in court. I don't think legally they can prevent an NIL contract from being signed that is dependent on a kid being at a certain school in the future.
Only the big boosters can reign this in and I think it will be reigned in some over the next few years just because some won't see the football success return they expected. This has initially led to a lot more booster money at some schools being shelled out than under the old bagman days.
Only a very few players in college have true NIL value equal to the NIL they are getting.
Only the big boosters can reign this in and I think it will be reigned in some over the next few years just because some won't see the football success return they expected. This has initially led to a lot more booster money at some schools being shelled out than under the old bagman days.
Only a very few players in college have true NIL value equal to the NIL they are getting.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:17 am to ipodking
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Not until college football breaks away from the NCAA
I know it's off topic, but will this ever happen?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:21 am to UGAnations
I doubt it myself since the big conferences have the power now but still want that structure in place even though they have neutered it.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:29 am to DawginSC
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The idea behind NIL originally was to allow players who performed well on the field to profit off selling their Name/Image/Likeness.
NIL is about Name Image and Likeness. Doesnt have to have anything to do with performance on a field of play technically.
Sure the thought behind it was maybe the best players get compensated somehow for their play maybe more than players not as well known or as good, but NIL itself being about Name Image and Likeness they can get money for any of those. They could not play a single down, setup an onlyfans and make money off that...name, image, likeness, etc...
It's certainly turned into a way to just buy the best recruits (or players in the portal) though, which I know is what your post is really about. How the NCAA stops that is beyond me, they have had no teeth for a very long time in players being bought by schools, long before NIL was ever a thing.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 10:35 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:02 am to DawginSC
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Is there any real way to stop using NIL to buy players?
Dissolve the NCAA and create a central authority that regulates and punishes NIL-as-inducement within its membership.
Decent chance it could happen one day but only once the NCAA model has officially been bled completely dry by Universities
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:18 am to RT1941
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What NIL collective will get on board with paying $$ to a recruit for his name/likeness/image if there's no guaranteed that kid is going to represent the school the NIL collective funds?
If I'm a booster pouring $$ into Bama's NIL Collective, I'm damn sure not going to agree to pay some 5* basketball recruit only to watch him end up a Louisville.
It was never supposed to be for that purpose.
UGA doesn't seem to give much NIL money to recruits. Their biggest NIL earners are all guys who are already proven stars on the team... Bennett, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith... guys like that.
That's what NIL was for... to allow guys who make a name for themselves playing football to profit from it.
It was never intended to form "collectives" so that players could be brought in. the point of this thread (for me) is to see if anyone has ideas on how to make it work the way it was intended. It wasn't intended for recruiting. In fact, the rules specifically say it CAN'T be used for that purpose (NIL payments cannot be tied to enrolling at or attending a specific school).
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:55 am to DawginSC
quote:I know what NIL was meant for, but the NCAA will not touch it and they have been rendered useless in the realm of NIL.
It was never intended to form "collectives" so that players could be brought in. the point of this thread (for me) is to see if anyone has ideas on how to make it work the way it was intended. It wasn't intended for recruiting. In fact, the rules specifically say it CAN'T be used for that purpose (NIL payments cannot be tied to enrolling at or attending a specific school).
The NCAA does not have the resources or manpower to monitor their member institutions. Their antiquated and archaic process from investigation to final judgement even on the most mundane cases are totally ineffective. They haven't even ruled on the Will Wade (LSU) crap from years ago or the Jeremy Pruitt (UT) crap for crying out loud. They are a joke of an organization.
We see the Rashada (UF) fiasco getting played out in public with glaring evidence that NIL has been used to induce a kid to a school. The kid hadn't even enrolled and already UF's NIL collective is haggling with the parents about who's supposed to pay the lawyers commission out of who's pocket.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:15 pm to DawginSC
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While it's technically against the rules to do so, it's pretty clear that it's happening. Is there anything that can be done to make it so that buying recruits is impossible (or perhaps just harder)?
I could see where if you make them wait a year or two for the big payout (kind of like rookie contracts in the NFL), more big recruits might be willing to go to a lower-mid tier school for immediate playing to pad their stats for a big free agent contract. Not sure it that would help, hurt, or maintain the status quo.
Could always go back to duffel bags of cash for recruits and contracts for upper classmen.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:56 pm to DawginSC
Not currently.
To give this some perspective… imagine the NFL with no salary cap and unrestricted free agency.
Oh…. and while we are at it make sure there are almost no consequences for teams to solicit players from other teams.
This in a nutshell is college football today.
To give this some perspective… imagine the NFL with no salary cap and unrestricted free agency.
Oh…. and while we are at it make sure there are almost no consequences for teams to solicit players from other teams.
This in a nutshell is college football today.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:52 pm to DawginSC
quote:Baw this is pretty naive
UGA doesn't seem to give much NIL money to recruits. Their biggest NIL earners are all guys who are already proven stars on the team... Bennett, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith... guys like that.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:53 pm to tylerdurden24
quote:Players will be employees at this point. Prep for the meltdown when college football players get revenue sharing.
Dissolve the NCAA and create a central authority that regulates and punishes NIL-as-inducement within its membership. Decent chance it could happen one day but only once the NCAA model has officially been bled completely dry by Universities
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:54 am to DawginSC
The Supreme Court - Ed O’Bannon case essentially neutered the NCAA when it comes to athletes getting paid.
The NCAA has no control because they have no enforcement ability, no matter what regulations that are proposed…
The NCAA has no control because they have no enforcement ability, no matter what regulations that are proposed…
Posted on 1/15/23 at 5:37 pm to Tridentds
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To give this some perspective… imagine the NFL with no salary cap and unrestricted free agency.
It still makes me chuckle that people still don't understand what the NIL and current transfer polices actually are.
The NIL has absolutely nothing to do with anything similar to the NFL salary cap. The NIL isn't a salary.....it's endorsements. The NFL doesn't cap endorsements.
And the transfer portal isn't unrestricted. You get one free transfer and then one if you graduate that allows you to play immediately(without being granted a waiver). You have to sit out a year on the second transfer.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 5:39 pm to tylerdurden24
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Dissolve the NCAA and create a central authority that regulates and punishes NIL-as-inducement within its membership.
That.....that's already a thing with the NCAA.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 6:11 pm to DawginSC
No. But it doesn't matter. Players will get paid whether its through NIL or under the table. Make players employees? The good ones will still get paid more under the table. It doesn't matter what you try to do.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:33 pm to ipodking
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Then the conferences will make the rules and teams will have to follow
NCAA doesn’t run college football. States establish NIL rules, and in the absence of state law, the colleges themselves do. Conferences determine pretty much everything else.
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