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Jim Leonhard - as good an outside schematic fit for Saban's defensive philosophy as exists
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:50 am
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:50 am
Leonhard officially moving on from Wisconsin today is probably the first time I've actually thought there was a realistic chance he might end up in Tuscaloosa. He will have tons of options - DC in both college and NFL, mid-major head coaching jobs - but if he wants to get a big time college coaching job in a couple of years the sell of running his scheme with the players at Alabama along with working for Saban has to be very, very enticing.
More importantly - his scheme matches up perfectly with Saban's base defensive philosophy. As we know, this is a must, and we were never going to hand over the defense to somebody who runs something different. Leonhard runs a 3-4 with tons of Saban principles, but also has wrinkles and changes (which, as we know with Pete, Saban is fine with and even encourages).
This is a great article from the Ohio State site Eleven Warriors about Leonhard's defensive system and style. If you click the link there are visuals that show on All-22 how the play described plays out.
Eleven Warriors - Jim Leonhard Defense
More importantly - his scheme matches up perfectly with Saban's base defensive philosophy. As we know, this is a must, and we were never going to hand over the defense to somebody who runs something different. Leonhard runs a 3-4 with tons of Saban principles, but also has wrinkles and changes (which, as we know with Pete, Saban is fine with and even encourages).
This is a great article from the Ohio State site Eleven Warriors about Leonhard's defensive system and style. If you click the link there are visuals that show on All-22 how the play described plays out.
Eleven Warriors - Jim Leonhard Defense
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Today, Leonhard's approach is still very similar to Ryan's while also borrowing from some of the game's best minds (such as Nick Saban). In fact, the Badgers operate strikingly like the Crimson Tide on early downs.
The Badgers like to bring a safety down into the box for run support on the wide side of the field, giving them 8 defenders near the line of scrimmage. With three big-bodied defensive linemen eating up interior blockers and a safety plugging one of the holes, an inside linebacker is often left free to run and make tackles.
Against the pass, the system can often look like straight, man-coverage with a free safety in the middle of the field (known as Cover 1). But in reality, it's a Cover 3 zone with pattern-matching principles, meaning the defenders play the receivers tight once in their zone.
With the back of the defense employing traditional coverages with seven defenders dropping back, that means one of the linebackers can join the three down linemen in their pass rush. On nearly every single snap, one of the four 'backers will be sent on a blitz, but the the offense is forced to guess which one.
When Leonhard began studying the college game with Aranda in 2015, however, it quickly became apparent that this exact approach didn't translate directly to stopping the spread offenses that had become so prevalent at that level. As such, Leonhard incorporated the simulated pressure packages for which Aranda has become known. Within coaching circles, however, it is Ryan who often gets credited with their development.
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With opponents often operating in 11 (1 RB, 1 TE) packages at the college level, the Badgers respond by removing one of their down linemen in place of a fifth defensive back, creating a four-man front with the two outside linebackers acting as stand-up ends. Along with the two inside 'backers, the defense then has six potential pass-rushers crept up near the line on any given snap.
Despite showing blitz from all six of these players, however, the defense rarely still only sends just four rushers, dropping two linebackers back into coverage. This allows the back end to maintain its integrity downfield while still confusing the offensive line and quarterback.
This adaptability at the linebacker spot - to both rush the passer or drop in coverage - was amplified against Washington State two weeks ago. With the visiting Cougars trotting out 10 personnel (1 RB, 0 TE) most of the day, Leonhard matched it by removing two down linemen in place of two defensive backs and lining up in a 1-4-6 that harkened back to Ryan's most potent third-down looks while Leonhard was with the Jets a decade ago.
But despite the Badger defense bringing pressure from all angles, it still only rushed four.
Behind the four-man pressure, Leonhard mixed up his coverages, especially in passing situations. The Badgers played Tampa-2 on multiple passing downs against WASU, but only after initially lining up in a single-deep look before the snap.
This doesn't mean Leonhard is only using NFL concepts from a decade ago, however. He also includes modern, complex match coverages found in the Quarters family, especially when facing more advanced passing offenses like the one employed by Ryan Day and the Buckeyes.
"[They're] multiple up front, in terms of the different fronts that we're seeing, the different coverages that you get." Day said this week of what he's seen from the Badgers in preparation for Saturday night's showdown in the 'Shoe. "We've got to be prepared because they're very intelligent, they can handle high levels of information, and they're a good team."
Ohio State won't be the first opponent to take the Badgers seriously this season, as the Cougars came away with an upset victory during their recent visit to Camp Randall by attacking the tendencies of Leonhard's system. In an effort to match the speed put on the field by the Cougars' 4-receiver base offense, the Badgers found themselves defending the goal-line with just one down lineman, allowing the Cougars to easily push their way into the end zone on the ground.
The Cougars found themselves in the red zone thanks to their efforts to put the extra run defender in conflict via RPOs. By packaging WR screens with an inside run, Washington State forced the field safety to be in two places at once, lunging awkwardly to make a tackle in space after getting caught in no man's land.
Despite finishing atop the nation in total defense last season, Leonhard and his team struggled in their late-season matchup with Scott Frost and the Nebraska Cornhuskers gave, who averaged nearly 6.5 yards per play in what became an unexpected shootout. Frost and his staff clearly knew to expect the Cover 3-Match concept preferred by Leonhard on early downs and dialed up a variety of play-calls to attack it.
First, the Huskers used 12 personnel (1 RB, 2 TE), knowing the Badgers would respond with their base 3-4 that ensured only four defensive backs were on the field at once. From there, however, Frost often split one of his tight ends out wide to emulate more of a spread formation, with both wide receivers aligned to the boundary.
Second, the Huskers assumed the defense would play with just one deep safety and called concepts such as double-posts that drew the free safety away from helping the corner outside.
While the Badgers' coverage philosophy is meant to provide balance to both sides of the field with a free safety sitting in the middle, the Huskers continually overloaded one side with receivers to create an open man downfield.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 7:51 am
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
I'd be remise if I didn't point out that one of the negatives in this article is that they lined up in the 1-4-6 at times and got beat by the run 
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 7:55 am
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:58 am to SummerOfGeorge
Well yeah, Saban has wanted him at multiple times but Leonhard refused to move.
This is perfect timing. Time to downgrade or release Golding and bring in Jim
This is perfect timing. Time to downgrade or release Golding and bring in Jim
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Ohio State won't be the first opponent to take the Badgers seriously this season
Ohio State scored 52 against Wisconsin this season.
I know I'm probably in the minority but I just don't like this system against some of today's offenses. You mostly rush 4. When you send more pressure it's delayed from a linebacker, safety or corner. Due to complexity on the back end, you limit your depth because it takes players so long to learn the system (if they ever do).
I know overall it can be effective if you have players with experience. Wisconsin has an advantage due to the offensive style prevalent in the Big 10 (heavy, slower personnel and style, weather, etc). They also don't have near as many players leave early so they are able to keep guys in the system longer.
The other thing that is very important is how you use your defensive linemen. In this style of the 3-4, you ask your DL to hold up blockers (often multiple blockers), so your linebackers can make the play. When you face the passing offenses we face, with the QB trained to release the ball as quickly as possible, you get very little pressure in the backfield. Your pressure has to come from the linebackers spot or wide safety/corner and it takes too long. We saw when we faced Tennessee, we couldn't generate pressure because they use some of the widest sets in football. It eliminates your corner/safety blitz or if you try it, you get smoked on slants or hot routes.
This defense seems to be built from the back end up. I would prefer the focus to be from the DL back. I just believe with today's quick passing offenses, you have to apply maximum pressure in the backfield and it has to come FROM the line of scrimmage. Ours typically comes from the linebacker/safety and corner spot except in obvious passing downs with longer to go.
The emphasis with Saban on defense has always been to eliminate big plays but when we aren't getting the pressure needed on the QB, we are forcing our defensive backfield to cover too long, leading to big plays/penalties/touchdowns.
That being said, I do believe Leonard would be a definite upgrade from Golding. I'm just not sold on this version of the 3-4 defense unless you can keep very talented guys in the program long enough to master all the calls and even then I'd need to see more immediate pressure in the offensive backfield.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:47 am to DT55Forever1
I don't disagree, but I think it's pie in the sky to expect us to change philosophies at this point in Saban's career. This is who he is.
In terms of Ohio State, Wisconsin just doesn't have guys on the back end who can run with their WRs. Been that way for years. Also, they were a lot less talented defensively this year than they have been in the last 4-5 up front. They got gashed by teams like Illinois in a way they haven't in a while.
In terms of Ohio State, Wisconsin just doesn't have guys on the back end who can run with their WRs. Been that way for years. Also, they were a lot less talented defensively this year than they have been in the last 4-5 up front. They got gashed by teams like Illinois in a way they haven't in a while.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 8:53 am
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I think it's pie in the sky to expect us to change philosophies at this point in Saban's career
Oh, I know and it's why I get slammed on here when I talk about it. It's always been Saban's system and I think it needs to change or we will continue to get picked apart by certain teams/systems.
Saban has been willing to grow and change offensively over the years. He needs to be open to changes that are needed defensively. But to your point, I don't believe he ever will.
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In terms of Ohio State, Wisconsin just doesn't have guys on the back end who can run with their WRs. Been that way for years. Also, they were a lot less talented defensively this year than they have been in the last 4-5 up front
yea. It's goes back to what I was saying about keeping talented guys in the system. In today's football, where guys are transferring left and right, we need a system where players can come in and immediately be a factor. We can't use something that takes a player and year or two to learn. I doesn't make sense in todays climate.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 8:58 am
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:00 am to DT55Forever1
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yea. It's goes back to what I was saying about keeping talented guys in the system. In today's football, where guys are transferring left and right, we need a system where players can come in and immediately be a factor. We can't use something that takes a player and year or two to learn. I doesn't make sense in todays climate.
100% agree - it's a system that works when everyone reads everything the same way, and it works beautifully. But that requires a whole lot of experience and smarts, and like you said - in the current climate - you can't expect everyone your defense to have that brain sync.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:01 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'd be remise if I didn't point out that one of the negatives in this article is that they lined up in the 1-4-6 at times and got beat by the run

Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:08 am to DT55Forever1
It certainly doesn't help that once upon a time we had at least one guy up front most years who could generate pretty consistent pressure and immediately collapse a pocket, but the last couple of years we just haven't had that guy. Young, Dale, and Eboigbe were decent enough players, but they weren't Dareus, Allen, Payne, or Quinnen.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:14 am to Roll Tide Ravens
A lot of people have talked about wanting DeMeco to come back. I'd love it too but he's going to be an NFL head coach probably next season.
For those interested, DeMeco runs a 4-3, single gap defense that allows the defensive linemen to hit the gap and pressure the offensive backfield and we've seen how well it works. He doesn't use Saban's style of defense.
DeMeco's defensive system is what we need to use in my opinion.
For those interested, DeMeco runs a 4-3, single gap defense that allows the defensive linemen to hit the gap and pressure the offensive backfield and we've seen how well it works. He doesn't use Saban's style of defense.
DeMeco's defensive system is what we need to use in my opinion.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:17 am to DT55Forever1
guessing packers bound. proly not interested in moving from colder weather to a warm weather climate??
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:19 am to crimsontater
It really depends what he wants, which I have no idea. If he wants to be a college head coach at the highest level then our job is clearly an easy sell. If he wants to stay in his region then he probably has different options at the G5 level as a head coach or as a DC in the NFL or college.
Just depends.
Just depends.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:21 am to Robot Santa
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It certainly doesn't help that once upon a time we had at least one guy up front most years who could generate pretty consistent pressure and immediately collapse a pocket, but the last couple of years we just haven't had that guy. Young, Dale, and Eboigbe were decent enough players, but they weren't Dareus, Allen, Payne, or Quinnen
Agree that if you can have a DL that can take on multiple blockers and push them into the backfield, that would be great. I'd just rather them beat their blocker to the backfield.
And speaking of Allen. He was interviewed this year about his time in the NFL. He told the interviewer that he had to "UNLEARN everything he learned about playing defensive tackle at Alabama to be successful in the NFL" They mentioned it in the broadcast Sunday when they were playing the Giants.
In my opinion, we need our DL to run single gap and pressure the backfield like most guys in the NFL are asked to do. Just my feeling on it.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:26 am to crimsontater
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guessing packers bound. proly not interested in moving from colder weather to a warm weather climate
No telling what he really wants. He has more connections in the NFL probably. He played 10 seasons for multiple teams but has only coached in college since 2016 and at one school.
I thought this quote about Jim was interesting:
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Leonhard spent his time studying college film with then-Wisconsin Defensive Coordinator Dave Aranda and familiarizing himself with schemes that exist in college football that aren't prevalent in the NFL, such as the zone-read option offense.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:30 am to DT55Forever1
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And speaking of Allen. He was interviewed this year about his time in the NFL. He told the interviewer that he had to "UNLEARN everything he learned about playing defensive tackle at Alabama to be successful in the NFL" They mentioned it in the broadcast Sunday when they were playing the Giants.
link?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:33 am to Funky Tide 8
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link?
I'll have to look for it. It was talked about live during the game Sunday. They were bragging on Allen's play and starting talking about what he had said when interviewed about it. I'll see if I can find it.
I'm sure it wasn't said as a dig at Saban or Bama, just that the way the DL are used at Bama was different than the 4-3 that Del Rio used at Washington.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
I'll be shocked, but ecstatic, if Pete Golding isn't here next year.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:29 am to Robot Santa
you are 100% correct about that. We didnt have anyone that could disrupt the pocket from the interior
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