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Curious…Why so much hate towards KJ?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:25 pm
So many posts at the end of the season about him being a TE…not being able to make the throws, etc. He just announced he is coming back, and to me that’s a big fricking deal and it’s a big deal to the program.
Career Stats
65.5% comp (68.3% in 2022)
5,529 pass yards
49 TD’s
9 INT’s
1,299 rush yards
17 rush TD’s
Comparatively speaking…in regards to career comp. % at Arkansas…
Brandon Allen: 57.4%
Austin Allen: 59.1%
Tyler Wilson: 62.6%
Ryan Mallett: 60.3%
Casey Dick: 55.6%
Matt Jones: 55.2%
Clint Stoerner: 51.%
His season this year was nearly a school record for completion percentage in a season. His season last year was 2nd all time, but now 3rd. So he owns the 2nd and 3rd best seasons in Arkansas football history in regards to completion percentage for a QB.
Edit: After this 2022 season, before his bowl game…
KJ ranks 3rd all time at Arkansas with 66 touchdowns responsible for. He is only 11 total TD’s shy of this record.
Is #4 and #6 in single season touchdowns responsible for.
#2 all time in yards responsible for (rush & passing) in career. He is just about 1k yards shy of record, so he will shatter that if he stays healthy.
Career Stats
65.5% comp (68.3% in 2022)
5,529 pass yards
49 TD’s
9 INT’s
1,299 rush yards
17 rush TD’s
Comparatively speaking…in regards to career comp. % at Arkansas…
Brandon Allen: 57.4%
Austin Allen: 59.1%
Tyler Wilson: 62.6%
Ryan Mallett: 60.3%
Casey Dick: 55.6%
Matt Jones: 55.2%
Clint Stoerner: 51.%
His season this year was nearly a school record for completion percentage in a season. His season last year was 2nd all time, but now 3rd. So he owns the 2nd and 3rd best seasons in Arkansas football history in regards to completion percentage for a QB.
Edit: After this 2022 season, before his bowl game…
KJ ranks 3rd all time at Arkansas with 66 touchdowns responsible for. He is only 11 total TD’s shy of this record.
Is #4 and #6 in single season touchdowns responsible for.
#2 all time in yards responsible for (rush & passing) in career. He is just about 1k yards shy of record, so he will shatter that if he stays healthy.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 8:34 pm
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:27 pm to Hawgeye
Helluva big deal since he's the only legit QB on the roster.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:56 pm to Hawgeye
It is awesome that he is coming back. His facebook post was well done, I am thrilled!
Posted on 12/2/22 at 9:08 pm to Hawgeye
It's because there are a lot of bitter, angry people in this forum. People are tired of not being able to sustain any sort of meaningful success as a program, so they lash out at anything/everything.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 9:10 pm to Hawgeye
The back up qb always has some fans, happened this year till people truly saw what we had behind KJ
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:14 pm to Hawgeye
The chad Morris era showed us what can happen without a quality qb.
Heck, when KJ was hurt this year it was obvious what missing a quality qb can look like.
He makes a bigger difference than some give him credit for.
Heck, when KJ was hurt this year it was obvious what missing a quality qb can look like.
He makes a bigger difference than some give him credit for.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:35 pm to Hawgeye
quote:Give me every single one of these dudes over KJ.
Brandon Allen: 57.4%
Austin Allen: 59.1%
Tyler Wilson: 62.6%
Ryan Mallett: 60.3%
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:43 pm to Drewbie
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Give me every single one of these dudes over KJ.
You serious, Clark?
Not the way this offense is ran. The only one that would make any semblance to a running QB is Brandon Allen. And Mallett might make up for his lack of mobility with his arm. But the Briles offense would have to become an RPO offense than the read option. Can’t none of the rest of them boys run
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:44 pm to CFB_Fanatic
quote:Sorry I thought we were talking about QBs.
Can’t none of the rest of them boys run
Have fun running. When he's banged up in week 4 next year again and we're sitting around wondering what's wrong with him again it'll be like groundhog day on this board. I'll take the dudes that can handle more than one read on a play and don't naturally wear themselves down over the course of a season. I don't get the point of sucking his completion percentage off when we sit and watch him fudge the numbers with 1 yard swing passes all year.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:02 pm to Hawgeye
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so much hate towards KJ?
Honetsly don't even know what you're talking about? Who after watching this season remotely thinks anyone on the roster is better than KJ?
Yes, he is slow on reads sometimes and misses open guys and does not often excel at timing/precision routes (especially over the middle) but Holy shite dude... He is leaps and bounds better than any QB we've had in over half a decade and is the absolute engine (when healthy) of the offense.
Anyone saying we need to ditch KJ is insane right now.
He just needs to get some polishing and he could be a very draftable guy.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:10 pm to Jack Ruby
quote:All horrendous qualities for a QB with no sign of improvement over the course of being a starter in the SEC for two full seasons. If he didn't have an immaculate deep ball he wouldn't even be here, yet we don't even utilize that weapon enough for it to matter.
he is slow on reads sometimes and misses open guys and does not often excel at timing/precision routes
But I'm supposed to be happy we aren't even trying to get anyone better.
quote:So he's better than Starkle and Hicks. He's not better than Franks. Is that really how low the bar is now?
He is leaps and bounds better than any QB we've had in over half a decade and is the absolute engine (when healthy) of the offense.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:33 pm to Drewbie
I feel like people don’t understand how trash our football team would have been without KJ. I’m talking like 2-10 3-9 trash
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:58 pm to Hmanhunt
quote:It's blatantly obvious he's the best we've got on the current roster, but that's not saying much. My complaint lies in the fact that we're accepting these massive shortcomings in a QB without at least testing the waters in the portal. If he'd shown signs of improvement up to this point, I'd have a massively different opinion of him. But he's the same player he was when he got here. We either can't develop QBs or KJ is what he is.
I feel like people don’t understand how trash our football team would have been without KJ. I’m talking like 2-10 3-9 trash
We can have and have had better and that's where the frustration lies. Mainly I want to see Briles call an offense with a QB he isn't terrified of attacking the middle of the field with.
Point being it was asked where the distaste for KJ was coming from so I gave my reasoning on why I soured on him this year. It's not like I loathe the fact that he's our QB. As it has been stated it could be much, much worse. But I feel like his weaknesses are being understated for how much of an impact on an offense's success they have just because his box score is pretty.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 12:04 am
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:01 am to rockiee
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The back up qb always has some fans
Arkansas and LSU fans are the absolute worst when it comes to this.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:13 am to Drewbie
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I'll take the dudes that can handle more than one read on a play and don't naturally wear themselves down over the course of a season.
If this were Petrino’s offense I’d completely agree. But Briles read option offense relies on a mobile QB, and none of the boys you listed can run. They have better IQ than KJ no doubt. But his deep ball and ability to protect the ball puts him above at least two players on that list. Remember Tyler Wilson shite the bed his senior season, as did Austin Allen.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:17 am to CFB_Fanatic
quote:Briles' offense worked just fine with tAlpaca. I don't buy that. Briles seems fairly adept at tailoring the offense to the QBs skillset, which I figure is why we don't hardly see anything over the middle with KJ.
But Briles read option offense relies on a mobile QB, and none of the boys you listed can run.
quote:Not exactly a fair comparison considering Wilson was being coached by Smile and his OC was the disappointing Petrino son while Austin's O-line made this year's look like the 90's Cowboys.
Remember Tyler Wilson shite the bed his senior season, as did Austin Allen.
Regardless, a good summary of my opinion is the last statement in my previous post so I don't really feel the need to expand any further. None of you have to agree, but this isn't some mindless hatred because results were bad. There's logic and reasoning based on watching every single game he's played to this point involved in the conclusion that has been drawn. No need to go around painting people who don't subscribe to the group-think as crazy or irrational but I know that's not gonna stop some.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 12:31 am
Posted on 12/3/22 at 6:07 am to Jack Ruby
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Honetsly don't even know what you're talking about?
For KJ hate? For starters, just read this thread.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 6:10 am to Hawgeye
He had some big issues that don’t show up in the stats.
Throwing the check down from a clean pocket on 3rd and a mile was a big one.
That said he’s the best we have and better than anyone we’d probably get from the portal, so it’s good he’s coming back. Hopefully he’ll be a good teacher for Singleton
Throwing the check down from a clean pocket on 3rd and a mile was a big one.
That said he’s the best we have and better than anyone we’d probably get from the portal, so it’s good he’s coming back. Hopefully he’ll be a good teacher for Singleton
Posted on 12/3/22 at 8:26 am to Drewbie
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When he's banged up in week 4 next year again and we're sitting around wondering what's wrong with him again it'll be like groundhog day on this board
I do agree. The coaches need to reexamine how much he runs, and emphasize sliding.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:55 am to Hank Murphy
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It's because there are a lot of bitter, angry people in this forum. People are tired of not being able to sustain any sort of meaningful success as a program, so they lash out at anything/everything.
And I sort of understand why it happens and how people can get angry when this was supposed to be a much better season than the record shows. We were ranked 6th at one point in a West division that was unusually weak for once, and had a lot of returning/added talent.
This team has a LOT of problems and weaknesses, both physically and mentally. But KJ isn't and has never been one of them. He's done nothing but produce when given the chance to succeed by his coaches, and he fights his arse off to put the offense on his back to carry them (sometimes literally) downfield
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