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re: The coordinators both did their job tonight

Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:21 pm to
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I’m not expecting him to predict the future. I’m expecting him to understand that our line was getting a decent push most of the game. I’m expecting him to understand that if having KJ turn around and hand the ball to the leading SEC running back doesn’t work on first and second down, he has third and fourth down to get a little more creative. Too much?



I had less of a problem with this than (still shaking my head) Hornsby entering with the 2 odd plays (trick even?) when we were moving along nicely, in sync, and with momentum. Frrreeeeiiiiccck!
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:26 pm to
I started cussing about the third time we went A gap on first, A gap on second, them let them load up the secondary for an incompletion on third down. Anyone who sees that more than twice a game and thinks our OC is doing his job is beyond me.

ETA: Also another week without a single halfback screen. Anyone else notice that our running backs are not any part of our passing game? We can’t even trickle Sanders out late and lob him the ball when KJ is taking heat.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 2:31 pm
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:27 pm to
You do understand later on in that exact same ball game we had a Crucial 4th and 1 and we ran kj up the middle out of an empty backfield when I’m sure A&M knew it was coming and kj still got 5 yards right? Is it creative to run kj up the guy or is it something even your mother knows is coming which is it? Because you’ve now said both in your previous 2 posts. I mean damn dude you say you’ve watched football for 45 years so tell me how many times did you know it was coming with cam Newton dak prescott and Tim Tebow and how many times did teams still not stop it? The shite we’re doing with kj out of an empty backfield isn’t some groundbreaking new play calling when it comes to qb run especially with the type of qb we’ve got. Again the problem wasn’t the play call it was the execution like someone else said. If it gets stuffed so what then you’ve got 3 plays to hand it to rocket. Stop bitching about briles for kj being careless with the football. It’s nonsensical and just wanting to find something about briles to bitch about. About like the other guy bitching about Odom. The shits old I can still remember what we looked like with chad morris and Bielema and we’re light years better than any of those years still.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:47 pm to
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You do understand later on in that exact same ball game we had a Crucial 4th and 1 and we ran kj up the middle out of an empty backfield when I’m sure A&M knew it was coming and kj still got 5 yards right? Is it creative to run kj up the guy or is it something even your mother knows is coming which is it?


I think I saw someone post about you being a coach. Is that right? Tell me coach, on 4th and 1, how far are the linebackers from the LOS at say the 40, versus on the goal line?

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I mean damn dude you say you’ve watched football for 45 years so tell me how many times did you know it was coming with cam Newton dak prescott and Tim Tebow and how many times did teams still not stop it?


Cam Newton, Dak Prescott or Tim Tebow ain’t walking through that door, coach.

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The shite we’re doing with kj out of an empty backfield isn’t some groundbreaking new play calling when it comes to qb run especially with the type of qb we’ve got. Again the problem wasn’t the play call it was the execution like someone else said. If it gets stuffed so what then you’ve got 3 plays to hand it to rocket. Stop bitching about briles for kj being careless with the football. It’s nonsensical and just wanting to find something about briles to bitch about.


Briles is paid handsomely to know the strengths and weaknesses of the players he has on offense, especially his veteran QB. And since we are still talking about this, and others if not you have brought up the Sanders fumble, how likely do you think it is that it was not only Briles mentality but most likely KJ’s as well, that we only have one guy we can rely on to get the job done when needed, KJ, and that made the bonehead play more likely? And what does that say about this team, and the other players on it?
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:51 pm to
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I’m expecting him to understand that our line was getting a decent push most of the game. I’m expecting him to understand that if having KJ turn around and hand the ball to the leading SEC running back doesn’t work on first and second down, he has third and fourth down to get a little more creative.


And what if we tried that on first down and Rocket fumbled instead?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13666 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:58 pm to
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And what if we tried that on first down and Rocket fumbled instead?


If Rocket can no longer be trusted, why does he play at all?

And maybe a better question: If Rocket can no longer be trusted, how do we trust KJ?
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 3:13 pm
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16662 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 5:42 pm to
Kj is a very similar runner to Tebow, Prescott etc. and it wasn’t 4th and goal it was 1st. I don’t understand why you are so hung up on the play call we’ve scored on it before earlier this same year
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 6:41 pm to
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Kj is a very similar runner to Tebow, Prescott etc


Damn


Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13666 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 6:55 pm to
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Kj is a very similar runner to Tebow, Prescott etc. and it wasn’t 4th and goal it was 1st. I don’t understand why you are so hung up on the play call we’ve scored on it before earlier this same year


The fact that we have ran the play time after time is part of the problem. I’m hung up on it because our O-line had pretty much been doing their job, and we had the SEC leading rusher behind KJ. Why press KJ into being the hero, when simply handing the ball off would have most likely got the job done?
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
11343 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 6:57 pm to
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Why press KJ into being the hero


Running KJ in this offense is not asking him to be a hero anymore than handing the ball off to Rocket is asking him to be a hero

I do not understand why you are so hung up on this
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13666 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:20 pm to
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Running KJ in this offense is not asking him to be a hero anymore than handing the ball off to Rocket is asking him to be a hero


Maybe it isn’t, but he sure seemed to think so on that play, didn’t he? Situational awareness has always been a thing with KJ. It has not really improved over the years, even with Briles help. And you can tell that Briles has made him better, but he still needs help in that area, and obviously ball security.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16662 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:48 pm to
He didn’t have a ball security issue last year idk what you’re really talking about here. This year it has been yes but last year he protected the ball very well. The loss was bad Saturday but we don’t have to blame everything on briles or act like our all conference qb needs to ride the pine
Posted by sugatowng
Look at my bling Bitches
Member since Nov 2006
25401 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:26 pm to
Man this thread is a shite show…

Switching gears a bit…Green and Dubinion need more touches. They more effective in inside rushing game because of their ability to find holes.

Players and coaches make mistakes. Move the frick on
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13666 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:56 pm to
He’s always been loose with the ball, he just seldom paid the price for it. I think it’s natural when you handle the ball as much as he does, but he should be coached about keeping it tight when he isn’t throwing.

I’m not acting like he isn’t the guy, I’m talking about Briles continuing to coach him up, and putting KJ and the team in a position to succeed.

Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13666 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:59 pm to
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Players and coaches make mistakes.


That’s expected. It’s when you continue to make the same mistakes over and over that’s the problem.
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7549 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 7:05 am to
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The fact that we have ran the play time after time is part of the problem. I’m hung up on it because our O-line had pretty much been doing their job, and we had the SEC leading rusher behind KJ. Why press KJ into being the hero, when simply handing the ball off would have most likely got the job done?


The only problem I had with it was the Superman leap… also the extending.

I would like everyone to quit extending unless it’s 4th down.
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