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Posted on 9/7/22 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 9/7/22 at 7:33 pm
Many wins on B1G records are unbalanced home field games
Utx seems to like having similar imbalance to look better than they are
3 - 8 -1 against Vanderbilt
66.7% games played in TX, only 33.3% played in TN
0 - 1 - 0 against South Carolina
100% game played in TX, 0% games played in SC
2 - 2 - 0 against Mississippi State
75% games played in TX, 25% played in MS
1 - 0 - 0 against Kentucky
100% game played in TX, 0% games played in KY
Former SEC schools
1 - 0 - 0 against Georgia Tach
100% game played in TX, 0% games played in GA
17 - 1 - 1 against Tulane
58% games in TX, 42% games in LA (probably wanted NOLA exposure)
4 - 3 - 0 against Sewanee
100% game played in TX, 0% games played in TN
Other Utx inequalities in the SEC
Utx has only played in GA once (1 for UGA, 0 for GT)
Utx has only played Alabama in AL once (and it was over a century ago) and Auburn twice
Utx has never played Tennessee or Sewanee in TN
Utx has only played tLandmass twice (1 in Starkville 1 in Oxford)
Utx seems to like having similar imbalance to look better than they are
3 - 8 -1 against Vanderbilt
66.7% games played in TX, only 33.3% played in TN
0 - 1 - 0 against South Carolina
100% game played in TX, 0% games played in SC
2 - 2 - 0 against Mississippi State
75% games played in TX, 25% played in MS
1 - 0 - 0 against Kentucky
100% game played in TX, 0% games played in KY
Former SEC schools
1 - 0 - 0 against Georgia Tach
100% game played in TX, 0% games played in GA
17 - 1 - 1 against Tulane
58% games in TX, 42% games in LA (probably wanted NOLA exposure)
4 - 3 - 0 against Sewanee
100% game played in TX, 0% games played in TN
Other Utx inequalities in the SEC
Utx has only played in GA once (1 for UGA, 0 for GT)
Utx has only played Alabama in AL once (and it was over a century ago) and Auburn twice
Utx has never played Tennessee or Sewanee in TN
Utx has only played tLandmass twice (1 in Starkville 1 in Oxford)
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Posted on 9/7/22 at 7:39 pm to Cheese Grits
I don’t think anybody has ever said that ut@a isn’t going to use every tactic necessary to gain an advantage including their fans.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 7:54 pm to Cheese Grits
Have they ever played Oklahoma outside of Texas?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 8:05 pm to Pvt Hudson
Many moons ago
Posted on 9/7/22 at 8:08 pm to Cheese Grits
Uf fans awkwardly avoiding this subject.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 8:10 pm to Pvt Hudson
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Have they ever played Oklahoma outside of Texas?
Not in the last 100 years. Sooners have Vanderbilt to thank for the State Fair
Posted on 9/7/22 at 8:17 pm to Che Boludo
Because its just so stupid lol
This post was edited on 9/7/22 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:00 pm to hookem33
Is it as stupid as having to edit a simple post?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:03 pm to Reservoir Ag
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4 - 3 - 0 against Sewanee
The Iron Men were bad azz
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:14 pm to Cheese Grits
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Sooners have Vanderbilt to thank for the State Fair
Edit: Ok I see, because of UTx's poor record vs Vandy, they don't like to travel to SEC teams too often. But why is Vandy responsible for the State Fair?
This post was edited on 9/7/22 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:30 pm to Pvt Hudson
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Have they ever played Oklahoma outside of Texas?
Texas and OU last played in the state of Oklahoma in 1922.
They played in Austin in 1923. Then didn't schedule each other for a few years due to some sort of conference restrictions. In 1929 they played in Dallas at Fair Park and it has been there ever since.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:40 pm to viceman
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But why is Vandy responsible for the State Fair?
Vandy and Texas played 7 times in the 1920s. Once in Nashville, 6 times in Dallas (Fair Park Stadium / Cotton Bowl). For whatever reason, it appears both teams liked playing in Dallas, 7 of the 12 total games were played there. The last time was in 1928.
In 1929, Texas played OU in Dallas and it's been there ever since.
In 1933, Vandy joined the SEC and I suspect that was in the end of them playing Texas regularly. Maybe Grits knows if there was bad blood or something. Another bridge burned by Texas?!
This post was edited on 9/7/22 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:45 pm to PerrillouxToTexas
Record for both teams coming into to SEC, vs SEC all time.
OU
Alabama 3-2-1
Arkansas 10-4-1
Auburn 2-0
Florida 2-1
Georgia 0-1
Kentucky 2-1
LSU 1-2
Ole Miss 0-1
Mississippi State have never played
Missouri 67-24-5
South Carolina have never played
Tennessee 3-1
Texas A&M 19-12
Vanderbilt 2-0-1
TEXAS
Alabama 7-1-1
Arkansas 56-22
Auburn 5-3
Florida 2-1-0
Georgia 4-1
Kentucky 1-0
LSU 9-1-8
Ole Miss 6-1
Mississippi State 2-2
Missouri 18-6
South Carolina 0-1
Tennessee 2-1
Texas A&M 76-5-37
Vanderbilt 3-1-8
OU
Alabama 3-2-1
Arkansas 10-4-1
Auburn 2-0
Florida 2-1
Georgia 0-1
Kentucky 2-1
LSU 1-2
Ole Miss 0-1
Mississippi State have never played
Missouri 67-24-5
South Carolina have never played
Tennessee 3-1
Texas A&M 19-12
Vanderbilt 2-0-1
TEXAS
Alabama 7-1-1
Arkansas 56-22
Auburn 5-3
Florida 2-1-0
Georgia 4-1
Kentucky 1-0
LSU 9-1-8
Ole Miss 6-1
Mississippi State 2-2
Missouri 18-6
South Carolina 0-1
Tennessee 2-1
Texas A&M 76-5-37
Vanderbilt 3-1-8
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:46 pm to Cheese Grits
They used to refuse to come to Fayetteville "because of the roads" so we typically played in Little Rock
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:07 am to viceman
Utx played Vanderbilt at the State Fair because they would not travel to Nashville for home and home games. Vanderbilt kept beating them so they dropped playing Vanderbilt at the State Fair and picked up Oklahoma.
Utx was like the B1G schools back in the day in that they wanted unfair games. Michigan did the same in they wanted to play in their home more often than playing in the other teams home. Home and home is commonplace now but not in the early days. Salt in the wound was to get more home games then to lose at home to the visiting team.
The SEC did not just appear out of no where in 1932, it had history in the old SoCon and SIAA. Both Utx and TAMU were SIAA members in the early days of college football and the evolution to the first time we had Super Conferences. It is why many of the current games have ties to the old SoCon and SIAA members.
Most current SEC, ACC, and the two TX teams were all in the same conference at one time. Utx left because they were not winning and wanted unfair home games and forced TAMU to join them a few years later in forming the SWC where Utx held more power. Before the war the SEC spun off from the SoCon and after the war the ACC spun off from the SoCon.
Folks forget how the GI Bill after WWII shifted the power from the private schools to the public ones. Kentucky played the first college football among the current SEC schools but they were a private school (Transylvania) that spun off UK as an A&M (no women) and Centre (the team that created the 12th man at TAMU were football powerhouses in the day. Tennessee is big now but the state of TN was the domain of Sewanee and Vanderbilt. LSU is the power today but Tulane had the "Queen of the South" in Tulane. It was Tulane that declined the Rose Bowl invitation for academic reasons that allowed Alabama to replace them.
Utx had no problem traveling to NOLA to play Tulane because they have a history of beating them and wanted the recruiting exposure in Louisiana (plus a trip to NOLA was fun) and Nashville was a city, not a college town so it shows clear choice by the folks on the 40 acres to schedule where they benefitted and to not schedule home and home where the opponent was winning. If you know the pre war history of Michigan they were probably the worst offenders of not playing home and home which pads their early victory total.
Utx was like the B1G schools back in the day in that they wanted unfair games. Michigan did the same in they wanted to play in their home more often than playing in the other teams home. Home and home is commonplace now but not in the early days. Salt in the wound was to get more home games then to lose at home to the visiting team.
The SEC did not just appear out of no where in 1932, it had history in the old SoCon and SIAA. Both Utx and TAMU were SIAA members in the early days of college football and the evolution to the first time we had Super Conferences. It is why many of the current games have ties to the old SoCon and SIAA members.
Most current SEC, ACC, and the two TX teams were all in the same conference at one time. Utx left because they were not winning and wanted unfair home games and forced TAMU to join them a few years later in forming the SWC where Utx held more power. Before the war the SEC spun off from the SoCon and after the war the ACC spun off from the SoCon.
Folks forget how the GI Bill after WWII shifted the power from the private schools to the public ones. Kentucky played the first college football among the current SEC schools but they were a private school (Transylvania) that spun off UK as an A&M (no women) and Centre (the team that created the 12th man at TAMU were football powerhouses in the day. Tennessee is big now but the state of TN was the domain of Sewanee and Vanderbilt. LSU is the power today but Tulane had the "Queen of the South" in Tulane. It was Tulane that declined the Rose Bowl invitation for academic reasons that allowed Alabama to replace them.
Utx had no problem traveling to NOLA to play Tulane because they have a history of beating them and wanted the recruiting exposure in Louisiana (plus a trip to NOLA was fun) and Nashville was a city, not a college town so it shows clear choice by the folks on the 40 acres to schedule where they benefitted and to not schedule home and home where the opponent was winning. If you know the pre war history of Michigan they were probably the worst offenders of not playing home and home which pads their early victory total.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 2:39 am
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:32 am to Porker Face
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They used to refuse to come to Fayetteville "because of the roads" so we typically played in Little Rock
Which is odd because in the early days of football the trains got schools to games, not roads.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:55 am to Yukons Worst
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TEXAS
Alabama 7-1-1
Arkansas 56-22
Auburn 5-3
Florida 2-1-0
Georgia 4-1
Kentucky 1-0
LSU 9-1-8
Ole Miss 6-1
Mississippi State 2-2
Missouri 18-6
South Carolina 0-1
Tennessee 2-1
Texas A&M 76-5-37
Vanderbilt 3-1-8
Too tired to check but both schools in BOLD were in the old SWC. TAMU was the better fit than Utx because they had way more history with schools in the current SEC West like LSU. Since LSU and Mississippi declined the SWC because of Utx, they kept playing their former SIAA member TAMU. I know we tease TAMU a lot for their unique traditions, next to South Carolina they have the most historic and cultural ties of the modern SEC addictions.
Arkansas
South Carolina - former SIAA and SoCon, fit right in with SEC
Texas A&M - former SIAA, maintained SEC west ties in SWC and B12
Missouri
Texas - former SIAA, afraid to play fair with SEC members
Oklahoma
While Oklahoma has no real historic ties playing SEC schools via the SIAA and SoCon, they probably fit the overall sports profile of the SEC more than the other 5 schools. I really think they will benefit the most from SEC membership where there other sports will be more appreciated than they were in the Big 8 and Big 12.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 7:50 am to Cheese Grits
All this is about to change very soon.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:10 am to VolNavy98
The Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association (SIAA, predecessor to the SEC) was founded on December 21, 1894.
Texas joined the SIAA in 1895 as an invited Charter Member, went 5-0 in its first season, and had a total conference record of 62-19-5 (75.4%).
Please note from 1895-1905, 100% of Texas' away games were played outside of the State of Texas.
The original members were:
Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Johns Hopkins
North Carolina
Sewanee
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Virginia and North Carolina soon dropped out, even before the inaugural 1895 season.
The following schools joined the following year in 1895 as invited charter members.
Central (Eastern Kentucky)
Clemson
Cumberland
Kentucky
LSU
Mercer
Mississippi A&M (Mississippi State)
Southwestern Presbyterian University
Texas
Tulane
University of Nashville
The Charter Members of the SIAA did NOT include Florida, Mississippi, & Tennessee, or Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, & Texas A&M.
Texas left the SIAA and was Independent from 1905-1912 until 1913-1914 (Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association) and then 1915-1995 (Southwest Conference.)
On February 25, 1921, Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and Tennessee left the SIAA to form the Southern Conference (SEC), along with non-SIAA members Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Washington and Lee.
Texas joined the SIAA in 1895 as an invited Charter Member, went 5-0 in its first season, and had a total conference record of 62-19-5 (75.4%).
Please note from 1895-1905, 100% of Texas' away games were played outside of the State of Texas.
The original members were:
Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Johns Hopkins
North Carolina
Sewanee
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Virginia and North Carolina soon dropped out, even before the inaugural 1895 season.
The following schools joined the following year in 1895 as invited charter members.
Central (Eastern Kentucky)
Clemson
Cumberland
Kentucky
LSU
Mercer
Mississippi A&M (Mississippi State)
Southwestern Presbyterian University
Texas
Tulane
University of Nashville
The Charter Members of the SIAA did NOT include Florida, Mississippi, & Tennessee, or Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, & Texas A&M.
Texas left the SIAA and was Independent from 1905-1912 until 1913-1914 (Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association) and then 1915-1995 (Southwest Conference.)
On February 25, 1921, Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and Tennessee left the SIAA to form the Southern Conference (SEC), along with non-SIAA members Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Washington and Lee.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:49 am to Cheese Grits
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Utx played Vanderbilt at the State Fair because Vanderbilt would not travel to Austin for home and home games. They payed 1 game in Austin, 4 in Nashville, and 7 times in Dallas. Vanderbilt kept beating them so they dropped playing Vanderbilt at the State Fair and picked up Oklahoma. Wrong. Texas and Oklahoma was a more natural fit for the State fair game, as both school are ~ 190 miles from Dallas.
Utx was like the B1G schools back in the day in that they wanted unfair games.Wrong. Texas played 100% of their SIAA away games outside of the State of Texas. Michigan did the same in they wanted to play in their home more often than playing in the other teams home. Home and home is commonplace now but not in the early days. Salt in the wound was to get more home games then to lose at home to the visiting team.
The SEC did not just appear out of no where in 1932, it had history in the old SoCon and SIAA. Both Utx and TAMU were SIAA members in the early days of college football Wrong! Texas was a Charter Member of the SIAA. TAMU was never a member of the SIAA SIAA and the evolution to the first time we had Super Conferences. It is why many of the current games have ties to the old SoCon and SIAA members.
Most current SEC, ACC, and the two TX teams were all in the same conference at one time. Wrong! See above. Utx left because they were not winning (Wrong! Texas had a 62-19-5 (75.4%) SIAA Conference Record) and wanted unfair home games and forced TAMU to join them a few years later in forming the SWC where Utx held more power. Before the war the SEC spun off from the SoCon and after the war the ACC spun off from the SoCon.
Folks forget how the GI Bill after WWII shifted the power from the private schools to the public ones. Kentucky played the first college football among the current SEC schools but they were a private school (Transylvania) that spun off UK as an A&M (no women) and Centre (the team that created the 12th man at TAMU were football powerhouses in the day. Tennessee is big now but the state of TN was the domain of Sewanee and Vanderbilt. LSU is the power today but Tulane had the "Queen of the South" in Tulane. It was Tulane that declined the Rose Bowl invitation for academic reasons that allowed Alabama to replace them.
Utx had no problem traveling to NOLA to play Tulane because they have a history of beating them and wanted the recruiting exposure in Louisiana (plus a trip to NOLA was fun) and Nashville was a city, not a college town so it shows clear choice by the folks on the 40 acres to schedule where they benefitted and to not schedule home and home where the opponent was winning. (Wrong! Are you really this ignorant? Geographic proximity & transportation were the biggest drivers in scheduling and conference affiliation. Railroads went to and from cities and passed through small towns. If you know the pre war history of Michigan they were probably the worst offenders of not playing home and home which pads their early victory total.
FIFY
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 10:50 am
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