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re: nutless bovines in austin too scared to leave TX
Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:43 am to Ptins944
Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:43 am to Ptins944
You are quoting Wikipedia, I have actually been in the special archives (where you have to wear the cotton gloves) and pretty sure your Wiki page is wrong.
Dr Dudley was from KY and his people were known. He attended Cincinnati (when it was a semi private school, and not the state school it is now). He was employed at Vanderbilt where he was actively involved in athletics there. He not only was the founder of the SIAA (It listed something in Virginia, but that Wiki reference is the first I have ever heard about UVA). He was also part of the founding of the NCAA when issues we are facing again threatened college athletics enough that the POTUS and Congress were on the warpath.
While it has been at least a decade and possibly two (and I am old) my memory had Texas A&M in those old documents.
Wiki can be changed and links can be lost quicker than hard documents saved on paper from the actual era. I know this is hard for younger people to grasp but it is true. I do know for a fact the original Wik page for the B1G had a paragraph about Nebraska's 2 earlier attempts to join (one was how Ohio State got in) that has vanished without a trace from the B1G Wik page and has never been seen there since.
Personally I have had a fight with Wiki for over a decade about personal family history (documents are in on file at a respected global archive) but Wiki keeps crediting a global corporate entity instead. It is the main reason I have not, not will I give Wiki a dime.
While Utx pursued several (SIAA / SoCon / SEC) schools like LSU and Mississippi, they turned down the SWC to stay put.
Dr Dudley was from KY and his people were known. He attended Cincinnati (when it was a semi private school, and not the state school it is now). He was employed at Vanderbilt where he was actively involved in athletics there. He not only was the founder of the SIAA (It listed something in Virginia, but that Wiki reference is the first I have ever heard about UVA). He was also part of the founding of the NCAA when issues we are facing again threatened college athletics enough that the POTUS and Congress were on the warpath.
While it has been at least a decade and possibly two (and I am old) my memory had Texas A&M in those old documents.
Wiki can be changed and links can be lost quicker than hard documents saved on paper from the actual era. I know this is hard for younger people to grasp but it is true. I do know for a fact the original Wik page for the B1G had a paragraph about Nebraska's 2 earlier attempts to join (one was how Ohio State got in) that has vanished without a trace from the B1G Wik page and has never been seen there since.
Personally I have had a fight with Wiki for over a decade about personal family history (documents are in on file at a respected global archive) but Wiki keeps crediting a global corporate entity instead. It is the main reason I have not, not will I give Wiki a dime.
While Utx pursued several (SIAA / SoCon / SEC) schools like LSU and Mississippi, they turned down the SWC to stay put.
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:52 am to Ptins944
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Wrong. Texas and Oklahoma was a more natural fit for the State fair game, as both school are ~ 190 miles from Dallas.
You can believe whatever fantasy you like but in the early days of college football it was the PRIVATE schools who ruled the game, not the PUBLIC ones. Utx and OU back then were not "Brands" so getting a Vanderbilt game was a big draw (Vanderbilt may not emphasize CFB now but they had at least a dozen conference championships in their early years).
Next you will argue Utx and OU football was more famous than the Ivy League in the early era of the sport!
The rise of the PUBLIC schools in started after WWI but got their biggest boost with the GI bill after WWII.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:35 pm to Ptins944
Texas A&M was a member of the SIAA during two different periods. 1903-08 and 1913-14.
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Since you want to go into the WayBack Time Machine, Teasip, tell your soon-to-be new conference mates about how t.u. had a sissyfit and stopped playing A&M after Coach Charlie Moran led the Ags to 3 wins in 4 years. Then would ONLY agree to start playing again in 1915, IF and ONLY IF, Moran was no longer the coach.
Sounds a bit like LSU breaking that contract after losing to the Ags after dropping 5 in a row back in the 90's.
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Since you want to go into the WayBack Time Machine, Teasip, tell your soon-to-be new conference mates about how t.u. had a sissyfit and stopped playing A&M after Coach Charlie Moran led the Ags to 3 wins in 4 years. Then would ONLY agree to start playing again in 1915, IF and ONLY IF, Moran was no longer the coach.
Sounds a bit like LSU breaking that contract after losing to the Ags after dropping 5 in a row back in the 90's.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:22 pm to Che Boludo
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Uf fans awkwardly avoiding this subject.
I'm not sure why people always mention UF on this subject. How many other teams have 2 other IN STATE rivals in FSU and Miami? Also remember that I think from 1980 up until 2010, those 3 schools were responsible for for like 1/3rd, maybe half of all the title teams for like 30/40 years. Plus, the FL legislator has also wanted UF to play UCF or USF most years. Then UF has had to play UGA at a neutral site. Back in the 90's UF decided that they could not logically play FSU and Miami every year, so Miami was dropped. Miami fans still scream that UF was scared. The schedule just did not allow it. Then you have UF/LSU. You tell me when and how could UF schedule more OOC schools without losing a home game? What would UF gain by going to bumfrick Nebraska to play? The state of Florida has 50x the talent and UF still can't win recruiting in it's own state. Hmmm, maybe we should start branching out and ditch Florida??
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:23 pm to Cheese Grits
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Utx played Vanderbilt at the State Fair because they would not travel to Nashville for home and home games. Vanderbilt kept beating them so they dropped playing Vanderbilt at the State Fair and picked up Oklahoma.
Utx was like the B1G schools back in the day in that they wanted unfair games. Michigan did the same in they wanted to play in their home more often than playing in the other teams home. Home and home is commonplace now but not in the early days. Salt in the wound was to get more home games then to lose at home to the visiting team.
The SEC did not just appear out of no where in 1932, it had history in the old SoCon and SIAA. Both Utx and TAMU were SIAA members in the early days of college football and the evolution to the first time we had Super Conferences. It is why many of the current games have ties to the old SoCon and SIAA members.
Most current SEC, ACC, and the two TX teams were all in the same conference at one time. Utx left because they were not winning and wanted unfair home games and forced TAMU to join them a few years later in forming the SWC where Utx held more power. Before the war the SEC spun off from the SoCon and after the war the ACC spun off from the SoCon.
Folks forget how the GI Bill after WWII shifted the power from the private schools to the public ones. Kentucky played the first college football among the current SEC schools but they were a private school (Transylvania) that spun off UK as an A&M (no women) and Centre (the team that created the 12th man at TAMU were football powerhouses in the day. Tennessee is big now but the state of TN was the domain of Sewanee and Vanderbilt. LSU is the power today but Tulane had the "Queen of the South" in Tulane. It was Tulane that declined the Rose Bowl invitation for academic reasons that allowed Alabama to replace them.
Utx had no problem traveling to NOLA to play Tulane because they have a history of beating them and wanted the recruiting exposure in Louisiana (plus a trip to NOLA was fun) and Nashville was a city, not a college town so it shows clear choice by the folks on the 40 acres to schedule where they benefitted and to not schedule home and home where the opponent was winning. If you know the pre war history of Michigan they were probably the worst offenders of not playing home and home which pads their early victory total.
That was really informative, Grits. I like history and college football. Have an upvote.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:24 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Also to add, most years, UF has one of the toughest schedules in the country (until FSU started sucking). When you have a permanent rival in FSU, it makes it difficult to add other teams. If we scrapped FSU, we could take on more OOC teams but I don't think the state will ever allow it. It remains to be seen what happens when Texas and OU join the conference??
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:33 pm to Yukons Worst
BCS and CFP arse whippings are excluded from records?
Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:50 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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I'm not sure why people always mention UF on this subject. How many other teams have 2 other IN STATE rivals in FSU and Miami? Also remember that I think from 1980 up until 2010, those 3 schools were responsible for for like 1/3rd, maybe half of all the title teams for like 30/40 years. Plus, the FL legislator has also wanted UF to play UCF or USF most years. Then UF has had to play UGA at a neutral site. Back in the 90's UF decided that they could not logically play FSU and Miami every year, so Miami was dropped. Miami fans still scream that UF was scared. The schedule just did not allow it. Then you have UF/LSU. You tell me when and how could UF schedule more OOC schools without losing a home game? What would UF gain by going to bumfrick Nebraska to play? The state of Florida has 50x the talent and UF still can't win recruiting in it's own state. Hmmm, maybe we should start branching out and ditch Florida??
Blah Blah Blah UF doesn't travel. STFU non-traveling pussy.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:01 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
Does Bama even have a rivalry OOC? Hell, do you even have more than Auburn and UF in the SEC??? GTFO. UF has more rivalries than Bama ever could have. Especially in that shite state.
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