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Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:19 am to Che Boludo
Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:19 am to Che Boludo
This is from an OSU insider who spoke to the father of a number of top players (I'm not sure who has that many kids who are being recruited by Bama and OSU so my bet is it is Uiagalelei but not for sure) at the OSU game who compared Bama and OSU in the NIL era and how they "pitch" kids on visits. Figured you would find it interesting
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He said when they went to Ohio State it was a pretty well rounded pitch that included a 2 1/2 hour meeting on an academic plan and a discussion that included sample class schedules, syllabus, and course outlines for his kid's areas of interest. They also met with representatives of the particular department they would be studying in---as well as the head of the academic mentoring program.
The discussion about NIL was really "forward looking" and spoke about future opportunities for his sons were they to head to the Buckeyes. Talked a lot about the size of deals in the recent past and how those might translate to deals for his sons once they hit the campus.
He said it couldn't have been more different at Alabama. He said the academic pitch was about 30 minutes and mainly talked about class schedule and how it would co-exist with the demands of the football team.
Said the discussion about NIL was about potential offers they could see "right then, right now"---and what other players had gotten before, during and after their tenure at Alabama.
Said the main difference was "At Alabama---its ALL about football--developing your son---winning NC's--getting to the league. And getting paid via NIL in the mean time. Period. End. Not saying it was better or worse, but it couldn't have been more different"
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:33 am to Buckeye06
Seems to conflict with what a recent recruit had to say about his experience:
You can read the rest here
ETA: Recruiting pitches are tailored to specific athletes interests/desires, so while the general recruiting pitch may be, "Hey, we're Bama, we win championships and get people drafted" the entire recruiting process and strategy is a lot more complicated.
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KingJoseph Edwards, 2024 four-star athlete from Buford High School in Georgia, visited Alabama on Wednesday. It was his first visit to Tuscaloosa after receiving an offer from the University of Alabama last month. He sat down with Alabama head coach Nick Saban to learn more about the success of the Alabama program.
"Bama is all that I've heard- prestigious, thorough," Edwards said. "Coach Saban really focused on academics and how the players at Bama are academically successful. They have something like an 85% graduation rate amongst the athletes. That’s excellent considering some don’t graduate because they go to the league. So essentially their graduation rate would be higher.
“He told me to focus on my future after football because eventually football will be finished. He spoke about building good relationships in life so when I graduate if I decide to work for someone else it’ll be easier to get a job and keep it."
"They are in my top three (with Georgia and Ohio State). What stood out was the academic program. From what Coach Saban pointed out to me it’s impeccable. At this point the programs interested in me are top-of-the line. It’s getting harder for me to make decisions. The good thing is I have plenty of time to decide."
You can read the rest here
ETA: Recruiting pitches are tailored to specific athletes interests/desires, so while the general recruiting pitch may be, "Hey, we're Bama, we win championships and get people drafted" the entire recruiting process and strategy is a lot more complicated.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 11:36 am
Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:37 am to Buckeye06
Not really cause there isn't any context. The schedule and presentation is going to change based on what kind of visit, when they came and how long they were on campus. This is pre NIL but I know Deans of some colleges at UA who have spent significant amounts of time with recruits discussing their academic programs on visits. Which OSU Insider was it?
By the way, from what I heard that doesn't sound like Mataeyo's dad at all
. It is either Innis, Thurman, maybe Wilson (these are the only 3 at ND I believe who have taken official's to both). I'm not sure Keeley's or Wilson's people talk that much though.
With that being said I don't mean to be dismissive, thanks for sharing.
By the way, from what I heard that doesn't sound like Mataeyo's dad at all
. It is either Innis, Thurman, maybe Wilson (these are the only 3 at ND I believe who have taken official's to both). I'm not sure Keeley's or Wilson's people talk that much though. With that being said I don't mean to be dismissive, thanks for sharing.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:11 pm to Buckeye06
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This is from an OSU insider who spoke to the father of a number of top players ...
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"Said the main difference was "At Alabama---its ALL about football--developing your son---winning NC's--getting to the league. And getting paid via NIL in the mean time. Period. End. Not saying it was better or worse, but it couldn't have been more different"
The next time I'm recruited by a national-level university will be the first, so I have no inside view on this. Having said that, this doesn't jibe at all with what we've heard from multiple recruits, players, and coaches for more than a decade.
From what I understand, Saban (and the rest of the support staff) place a HUGE emphasis on equipping players to succeed in life, not just in football. Alabama has hosted a who's-who of nationally recognized motivational and life-experience speakers over the years. Heck, earlier this week the Today Show did a five-minute segment on how Alabama helps players deal with mental stress.
I'm sure the recruiting pitch would be tailored to suit a particular player's interests, but I find it hard to believe it's as single-minded (especially on NIL) as that quote would suggest.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:44 pm to Buckeye06
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This is from an OSU insider
Not buying one bit. They make it out that OSU is some academic first institution when in all honesty it is about football first just like the other major blue bloods in the sport and why they continually stand at the top.
In regards to NIL is where I really call BS. At least with UA because what is being said in regards to UA it is about what you do on the field that will earn you the money once you arrive. Hence the reason Saban is upset about a&m and other schools using it to recruit and pay to play schemes.
Not to mention I am friends with a current coach from my area who coaches a current commit to OSU and that is not what they are telling people about OSU regarding NIL or about academics.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:55 pm to Buckeye06
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Buckeye06
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He said when they went to Ohio State it was a pretty well rounded pitch that included a 2 1/2 hour meeting on an academic plan and a discussion that included sample class schedules, syllabus, and course outlines for his kid's areas of interest. They also met with representatives of the particular department they would be studying in---as well as the head of the academic mentoring program.
Uh-huh, sure.....
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:01 pm to Buckeye06
I'd be careful with the heard it from a friend of a friend stuff. Not saying there might not be a one off, but that story runs contrary to more than a decade's worth of feedback.
Saban and staff are laser focused on discussing academic opportunities, support and life after football. It is absolutely what gets a lot of parents on-board.
With NIL, who knows what is being said. But, we do know it is weaponized and Saban will use that weapon to its fullest within the letter of the law to include all gray space he can find to operate.
Saban and staff are laser focused on discussing academic opportunities, support and life after football. It is absolutely what gets a lot of parents on-board.
With NIL, who knows what is being said. But, we do know it is weaponized and Saban will use that weapon to its fullest within the letter of the law to include all gray space he can find to operate.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:33 pm to Buckeye06
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Figured you would find it interesting
What I find interesting is that you would buy this garbage. 2 specific elements are diametrically opposed to Alabama's pitch that has been often plainly stated. One is regarding academics, the other is NIL. In fact, the NIL pitch is what Saban was griping about in the off-season. Either Saban is lying or your info is stock opponent garbage.
Your info frankly appears to be garbage. What a shock that an OSU fan would buy it.
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