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re: Best Running Back in SEC History?
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:25 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:25 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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If he hadn't shredded his knee on that abortion of a field in Knoxville,
They need to fix that dump.
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Posted on 6/3/22 at 4:13 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
The best I saw in person was Herschel but dude from pigs was so good too. Mcsomething or other.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 4:25 pm to mbogo
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Walker played against weaker competition.
Just curious...
How was that notre dame run defense ranked?
Posted on 6/3/22 at 4:38 pm to meansonny
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How was that notre dame run defense ranked?
You'll have to be more specific.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:24 am to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Posted on 6/5/22 at 11:29 am to OU Guy
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Here’s a great 3+ minute clip of AD dominating
No doubt OU has had some great backs over the years. It's a shame they will forever be tarnished for their violent acts off the field.
Never seen a man hit a woman harder than Mixon did.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 11:57 am to graves1
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40 years later, Walker still has the most career rushing yards in the SEC. He left after 3 years Different era of the game. Defenses were slower and less athletic than they are now. I don't think you can say "Who is the best all time" without breaking them down into eras. Look at MLB. Babe Ruth was a great homerun hitter. But the average pitcher in the 20's and 30's threw around 80mph. He hit 60 HRs in 1927. Could he do that against todays fastball pitchers?
Everything’s relative. Offenses are more sophisticated now with better linemen. Defenses are bigger and faster, etc. I have no doubt that if Herschel came along today he’d be every bit as effective. Same with Bo, etc. Herschel was the best ever and led his team to a NC. He should have won two Heisman Trophies. There have been many great RB in the history of the SEC but, by every metric and according to the vast majority of experts, Herschel stands alone at the top. You all can keep bringing this subject up every year, but it won’t change anything. Herschel was the best ever.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 12:13 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
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No doubt OU has had some great backs over the years. It's a shame they will forever be tarnished for their violent acts off the field.
Never seen a man hit a woman harder than Mixon did.
That was bad. And I agree.
But OU fans are grateful that we've never had a running back caught by the cops standing naked in somebody's back yard not being able to remember his own name.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 12:28 pm to meansonny
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Just curious...
How was that notre dame run defense ranked?
Go look it up if you want to bring a stat into this. I imagine it was pretty good, they shut out Alabama that year in their 7-0 win. Although the Alabama offense was no juggernaut, still takes a good defense to do that.
However, it was Georgia special teams/defense who won that game, not Walker, so I'm not sure what your point is. You scored 10 in the first quarter. 3 points on a FG, after Georgia blocked a FG attempt from ND, giving them the ball at the 50, I think the drive was like 15 yards or so maybe, it was a 50+ FG.
Then on the next kickoff, Notre Dame fumbles the ball and Georgia recovers on the 1 yard line. Walker goes in for the 1 yard TD run.
A few drives later, Georgia punts and gives Notre Dame the ball on the 20. Notre Dame then once again fumbles the ball, giving Georgia the ball. Walker has a decent run, and your QB runs for the other half, before Walker pushes it in for a 3 yard TD. I think Walker had like 13 or so total yards on the drive.
That put Georgia up 17, and they never scored again. Walker finished with more than 100 yards in the game, but not one single time did Georgia drive the field and score. Most of those yards were just good for running the clock.
And then even at the end of the game it was the Georgia defense who comes up with the interception.
Have you even seen the game?
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/5/22 at 12:41 pm to BrotherDawg84
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Everything’s relative. Offenses are more sophisticated now with better linemen. Defenses are bigger and faster, etc. I have no doubt that if Herschel came along today he’d be every bit as effective. Same with Bo, etc. Herschel was the best ever and led his team to a NC. He should have won two Heisman Trophies. There have been many great RB in the history of the SEC but, by every metric and according to the vast majority of experts, Herschel stands alone at the top. You all can keep bringing this subject up every year, but it won’t change anything. Herschel was the best ever.
Bo actually played the tough SEC teams. Walker played vs 1 ranked SEC team, which funny enough was 1982 Auburn.
Walker played 6 ranked teams total in his entire career, going .500 against them.
It's like when a G5 team like Cincy last year goes undefeated. Yeah, with that weak arse schedule there are probably 10 other teams who could have also gone undefeated on it.
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 6/5/22 at 1:37 pm to 3down10
Nobody outside of the Bama fanbase would put Derrick Henry in this conversation. It's like how only Cowboys fans think Emmitt Smith is the best RB in NFL history. Yes, they're great players, but it's easy to rack up yards when you're running through gaping holes.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 1:42 pm to Tall Tiger
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Yes, they're great players, but it's easy to rack up yards when you're running through gaping holes.
That's bullshite. Is that what Henry has done against NFL defenses? Run through 'gaping' holes? Henry has ran against stacked fronts his entire life. High school, college, NFL, and it hasn't mattered one bit. On all three levels he broke records and was/is the best back in the game.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 1:49 pm to Tall Tiger
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Nobody outside of the Bama fanbase would put Derrick Henry in this conversation. It's like how only Cowboys fans think Emmitt Smith is the best RB in NFL history. Yes, they're great players, but it's easy to rack up yards when you're running through gaping holes.
70% of Derrick Henry's yards came after contact.
Try again.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:09 pm to Nitro Express
He’s averaged fewer yards per season and fewer yards per carry in the NFL than Nick Chubb.
He was the greatest HS RB ever and yet it didn’t occur to Saban to start him over TJ Yeldon?
He’s the greatest pro back in the league but he didn’t beat out DeMarco Murray until his 3rd NFL season, which was effectively the end of Murray’s career?
He’s 500 yards behind Elliot in his own draft class.
He needs another 4500 yards to get in the top 20. He’s realistically got another 3-5 years to be a premier back.
He’s currently 71st on the all time rushing list.
He was the greatest HS RB ever and yet it didn’t occur to Saban to start him over TJ Yeldon?
He’s the greatest pro back in the league but he didn’t beat out DeMarco Murray until his 3rd NFL season, which was effectively the end of Murray’s career?
He’s 500 yards behind Elliot in his own draft class.
He needs another 4500 yards to get in the top 20. He’s realistically got another 3-5 years to be a premier back.
He’s currently 71st on the all time rushing list.
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:20 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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fairness where you fist encounter contact and the physical stature of the tackler at point of contact absolutely impacts both yards after contact and yards per carry. If I run unmolested 7 yard and then encounter a safety it’s entirely different reality than if I run 2 yards and encounter a defensive end. The likelyhood of yards after contact increase dramatically depending upon the leverage and strength of the tackler. The majority of runs over 10 yards in the NFL, irrespective of the back are against formations with 4 or more defensive backs. What skews ypc are runs over 10 yards. Defensive back numbers are overwhelmingly dictated by the # of WR in a formation. This is why YPC is not as good of an indication of impact as % of offense. And even % of O isn’t a silver bullet stat. YPC and YAC are most enhanced by running out of pass heavy formations.
This needs addressing by someone.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:34 pm to 3down10
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70% of Derrick Henry's yards came after contact.
OU fans remember him well. Saban introduced him to the world against us in the Sugar Bowl. That's where he grew his giant hornet's nest that is stuck on the back of his head. If you looked at him before kickoff, it wasn't there.
Most people don't realize that's how he fends off tacklers from behind. He releases the hornets on their arse. That's why they do a U-turn and start running the other direction.
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:39 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Easily Bo Jackson, with Herschel Walker a close second.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:40 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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In fairness where you fist encounter contact and the physical stature of the tackler at point of contact absolutely impacts both yards after contact and yards per carry. If I run unmolested 7 yard and then encounter a safety it’s entirely different reality than if I run 2 yards and encounter a defensive end. The likelyhood of yards after contact increase dramatically depending upon the leverage and strength of the tackler. The majority of runs over 10 yards in the NFL, irrespective of the back are against formations with 4 or more defensive backs. What skews ypc are runs over 10 yards. Defensive back numbers are overwhelmingly dictated by the # of WR in a formation.
This is why YPC is not as good of an indication of impact as % of offense. And even % of O isn’t a silver bullet stat.
YPC and YAC are most enhanced by running out of pass heavy formations.
70% of Derrick Henry's yards were after contact.
It's funny you mention number of WR in the formation, but yet you ignore the fact that Walker would have 1 or 2 personal blockers on most plays instead of WR.
In other words, they didn't put so many people near the line because they wanted, they did it because Georgia put so many in that area.
So basically your argument boils down to the only people who qualify are people who run the wishbone/i-formation type offenses with 1 or 2 WR max.
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:41 pm to 3down10
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However, it was Georgia special teams/defense who won that game, not Walker, so I'm not sure what your point is. You scored 10 in the first quarter. 3 points on a FG, after Georgia blocked a FG attempt from ND, giving them the ball at the 50, I think the drive was like 15 yards or so maybe, it was a 50+ FG.
Hershcel Walker separated his shoulder on the second play from scrimmage (For Georgia) and still rushed for 150 yards and 2 TDs. You don't think he impacted the game?
ESPN Network
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The ensuing Bulldogs drive saw Georgia's championship hopes nearly dashed on the first play. Walker was tossed the ball on a sweep to the right side, and received a bruising introduction to Notre Dame football."The doctor said I dislocated my shoulder, and they told me it was over," reflected the embattled workhorse. "I looked at the doctor, and said 'You've got to be joking me. You've got to put it back in place.' I told myself, 'I didn't come this far to dislocate my shoulder and not play.'
"So, they put it back in place, and I (went) back on the field."
The embattled Walker overcame a dislocated shoulder on the game's second play to rush for 150 yards and two TDs.
You are correct, though. The defense played a huge role, and it was a very good defense. It just seemed as if you were downplaying 150 yards and 2 TDs....which is pretty darn impressive in a title game.
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