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You wanna end up like Tennessee?
Posted on 2/8/22 at 10:24 am
Posted on 2/8/22 at 10:24 am
Then keep Harsin.
People want to throw around Tennessee, but let’s look at them. They gave Dooley plenty of time and gave Jones plenty of time. This cost them dearly. They pulled the trigger on Pruitt early, were in a bad spot to hire someone and got Heupel. He looks like he might have them starting to turn the corner.
So,if we give this guy time, we will end up like Tennessee.
People want to throw around Tennessee, but let’s look at them. They gave Dooley plenty of time and gave Jones plenty of time. This cost them dearly. They pulled the trigger on Pruitt early, were in a bad spot to hire someone and got Heupel. He looks like he might have them starting to turn the corner.
So,if we give this guy time, we will end up like Tennessee.
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Posted on 2/8/22 at 10:28 am to wareaglepete
quote:No he doesn’t
He looks like he might have them starting to turn the corner.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 10:44 am to ThaiTiger24
You don't know that. You have to give Heupel time. 
In his first full year, he had a better record than Harsin and better recruiting ranking. He has folks up there excited. This is a good case for giving the guy time. He is not just falling on his face.
In his first full year, he had a better record than Harsin and better recruiting ranking. He has folks up there excited. This is a good case for giving the guy time. He is not just falling on his face.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 10:57 am to wareaglepete
We tied for last in the West
We pussied up against Bama and didnt go for 2 at HOME
I like Harsin's attitude , but dont think hes the guy
We pussied up against Bama and didnt go for 2 at HOME
I like Harsin's attitude , but dont think hes the guy
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:03 am to wareaglepete
Derek Dooley and Jeremy Pruitt had the same amount of seasons.
I’m okay with firing Harsin but your point makes no sense lol
I’m okay with firing Harsin but your point makes no sense lol
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:07 am to wareaglepete
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You wanna end up like Tennessee?
Only way we end up like them is if we hire a coach, he ends up not taking the job due to fan backlash, then we hire ANOTHER coach, which leads to the Athletic Director being fired and replaced by the last coach to lead us to a national title, and then THAT AD hires a 3rd coach, who takes the job, and then gets fired for cause and the AD resigns, and then we hire a 3rd AD, who then hires the coach from the school he was just at.
We're only like a 1/4 of the way there.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:10 am to wareaglepete
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You don't know that. You have to give Heupel time.
In his first full year, he had a better record than Harsin and better recruiting ranking.
What??? So a 7-6 record and 16th ranked recruiting class deserves more time, and a 6-7 record and 18th ranked recruiting class is case for cutting ties immediately. Dang Harsin was so close to making the cut
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:12 am to wareaglepete
Firing coaches one year in is how you become TN faster than TN did.
But at this point, Harsin has basically been cut at the knees anyways so I think we have to get rid of him. Not going to be able to hire coaches or convince kids to come here with his firing looming.
He didn’t impress me from his time here but he wasn’t really given a chance either. We knew going in Harsin wasn’t going to recruit at a Top 5 level. So if you wanted that (that’s essentially the only judgment that’s leading to his firing) I don’t know why you hired him in the first place. Hire a recruiter.
But at this point, Harsin has basically been cut at the knees anyways so I think we have to get rid of him. Not going to be able to hire coaches or convince kids to come here with his firing looming.
He didn’t impress me from his time here but he wasn’t really given a chance either. We knew going in Harsin wasn’t going to recruit at a Top 5 level. So if you wanted that (that’s essentially the only judgment that’s leading to his firing) I don’t know why you hired him in the first place. Hire a recruiter.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:16 am to ThaiTiger24
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No he doesn’t
Heupel took over an absolute dumpster fire (like half their team left after the Pruitt stuff exploded) and they basically got screwed in their Bowl game out of an 8-5 season. They also came within 7-points of an 11-win Pittsburgh team.
2020 Tennessee: 21.5 PPG (3rd last in the conference)
2021 Tennessee: 39.3 PPG (Just 0.3 away from Alabama for 1st in the conference)
That turnaround on offense is absurd in one season, given their actual personnel losses (their top 2 RB's walked out, on top of others). Heupel took a scrap-heap transfer QB from Virginia Tech, and he had him playing like one of the best QB's in this conference - and that kid is coming back next season.
Here's the thing about Harsin: he's an offensive minded HC, and yet once again we were a team carried by our defense. The majority of our best recruiting signees were defensive recruits. Many of the players and coaches that are leaving the program are on the offensive side, so in reality that side of the ball is as lost as it's ever been.
Look at the effect that Heupel had on Tennessee's HORRENDOUS offense in just one year. Most of their "best" OL left the team, their "best" RB's left the team, he had no QB, and yet they put up nearly 40 PPG.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:17 am to Skyler97
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Derek Dooley and Jeremy Pruitt had the same amount of seasons.
Wow, you are right. I thought Jeremy was only there one or two seasons. They did fire him at a bad time to be hiring a new coach.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:17 am to ATLtiger12
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What??? So a 7-6 record and 16th ranked recruiting class deserves more time, and a 6-7 record and 18th ranked recruiting class is case for cutting ties immediately. Dang Harsin was so close to making the cut
I'm not saying Heupel did some amazing job but if you're going to compare the two you have to acknowledge Harsin walked into a much better situation than Heupel, even given our OL issues.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:17 am to wareaglepete
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You have to give Heupel time.
I fricking hate this board right now and Wareaglepete is a prime example of why.
So..... We will be like Tennessee because we are giving a shitty coach time to destroy the program like Dooley and Jones. We should do what they did with Pruitt (fire him) and hire a savior in Heupel. But in order to prove that Heupel is in fact the right coach, they need to give him time.
Holy frick. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:18 am to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:20 am to Aubie Spr96
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I fricking hate this board right now and Wareaglepete is a prime example of why.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:25 am to Weagle25
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Firing coaches one year in is how you become TN faster than TN did.
But at this point, Harsin has basically been cut at the knees anyways so I think we have to get rid of him. Not going to be able to hire coaches or convince kids to come here with his firing looming.
He didn’t impress me from his time here but he wasn’t really given a chance either. We knew going in Harsin wasn’t going to recruit at a Top 5 level. So if you wanted that (that’s essentially the only judgment that’s leading to his firing) I don’t know why you hired him in the first place. Hire a recruiter.
100% agree with all of this. And personally I find it very annoying all the fan bases that beat their chest about their recruiting class and winning the offseason every year, but it never amounts to any trophies. I would much rather win on the actual field. Mario Cristobal is a perfect example of this. The guy can obviously recruit, which is admittedly half the game, but his teams regularly don't get it done on the field. Jimbo seems like another example of this. His offense is very outdated, and A&M has pretty much relying on a great defensive coordinator and superior athletes to scrape by, very similar to Gus.
At the end of the day having a coach that can't recruit, or a recruiter that can't coach, neither is going to get the job done in the SEC against our schedule. The latter will lead to regularly getting our hopes up, beating our chest, and then a disappointing football season IMO.
Either way once the decision is made you have to at least see it through beyond one year.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:27 am to metafour
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Heupel took a scrap-heap transfer QB from Virginia Tech
Yea this isn’t true. Hooker was a really solid QB for VT when he played. He always had this potential
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:30 am to ATLtiger12
Recruiting rankings only matter when you goer 10 5*’s like A/M or Bama or UGa recently. They all 3 are cheating like hell to get those kids. Saban and Kirby are immune because of Saban, Kirby, Emmett. A/M is now under NCAA investigation or I should say..will be. Last time we landed the 5* barrage with Chizik we got investigated. Ole Miss- same way.
Not sure why it’s so hard to see this?
Not sure why it’s so hard to see this?
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:35 am to Lee County Tiger
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Only way we end up like them is if we hire a coach, he ends up not taking the job due to fan backlash, then we hire ANOTHER coach, which leads to the Athletic Director being fired and replaced by the last coach to lead us to a national title, and then THAT AD hires a 3rd coach, who takes the job, and then gets fired for cause and the AD resigns, and then we hire a 3rd AD, who then hires the coach from the school he was just at.
We're only like a 1/4 of the way there.
underrated post.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:38 am to metafour
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Heupel took over an absolute dumpster fire
Yes he did and it’s rumored the new NCAA rule allowing exceptions of more NSD signees due to mass exodus of players was because of Tennessee’s dumpster fire.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:43 am to wareaglepete
Tennessee fell apart when Lane left after one year. Then they had to settle for hiring a nobody like Derek Dooley. That’s the only similarity I see.
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