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T-Will a Broyles Award nominee in his 1st year at UCF

Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:07 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23772 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:07 am
Say what you will about the current staff or Gus' lack of willingness to hire outsiders to be on his staff, but Travis Williams was a great hire. He is the one coach from the previous staff that really hurt losing imo.

Congrats to Coach T-Will.

LINK to all nominees

ETA: I changed it from "finalist" to "nominee" because I guess this list is trimmed down to five later and those are the Broyles Award "finalists".
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 8:36 am
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
20519 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:08 am to
Hope he gets better and better. Then bring him home.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23772 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:13 am to
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Hope he gets better and better. Then bring him home.

Has this ever happened at Auburn? Have we ever had one of our guys leave early in their career, go out and get experience to become one of the top assistants, and then bring them home when called?
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22526 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:20 am to
Rodney Garner kinda fits that mold… worked for Bowden… left and went to UT and UGA… eventually came back to AU (although past his prime).

The money is so high now that any idea of loyalty left years ago… it is what it is.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 8:22 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23772 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:25 am to
Yeah I guess. But like you said, he had spent his prime years elsewhere.

I kind of look at Garner as a hired gun mercenary type of coach now. He seems like he goes somewhere for a couple years and infuses some good talent into his D-line and then moves on to the next program who needs a big fix on their line. So on and so on
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 8:26 am
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:25 am to
Finalist for what? Their defense got scorched by all the competitive teams on their schedule - they were not good. They had one of the easiest 2nd half schedules you'll ever see which inflated their rankings. Their final 5 games included:

3-9 Temple
2-10 Tulane
1-11 UConn
2-10 South Florida

They gave up 56, 55, and 42 against Cincinnati, SMU, and Louisville. 3-8 Navy of course also scored 34 on them.
Posted by bigtrain333
Member since Oct 2017
313 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:59 am to
the head coach can nominate anyone and Gus nominated him. That is where it will end.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:12 am to
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Finalist for what? Their defense got scorched by all the competitive teams on their schedule - they were not good. They had one of the easiest 2nd half schedules you'll ever see which inflated their rankings. Their final 5 games included:

3-9 Temple
2-10 Tulane
1-11 UConn
2-10 South Florida

They gave up 56, 55, and 42 against Cincinnati, SMU, and Louisville. 3-8 Navy of course also scored 34 on them.



I was wondering the same thing.

Their D didn't dominate anyone.

But maybe the award is more than how your D played.

To be a finalist in your first year, without stud stats does seem odd.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
28447 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:14 am to
He’s not a finalist just a nominee. So is Pete Golding who is the worst DC bama has had in a long time.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:55 am to
quote:

He’s not a finalist just a nominee. So is Pete Golding who is the worst DC bama has had in a long time.


Ahhh. got it.

that makes a difference. Then I think it's great he is a nominee.
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5313 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:15 pm to
Just saw this so I need to add my 2 cent.. the reason why he's a nominee is because UCF had one of the worst defenses in the entire country last year. As in ranked almost dead last. They still have tons of holes and had a lot of injuries this year, but they have also shown tons of improvement in 1 season too.. Find a UCF fan and ask them and they will tell you this is the happiest about their defense and the best defense they have had in a long time.. add into that bringing in the best recruiting class UCF has ever had and you might begin to see why he's getting praise and recognition.

Depending on where you look.. their defense improve by over 50+ ranks in 1 year.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 11:23 pm
Posted by bigtrain333
Member since Oct 2017
313 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 9:33 am to
what about their offense? did it go down? It seems like there is a yoyo effect. Alabama used to have a great defense but now that they have a great offense they can't play defense even though they have the best players. Uga on the other hand, has by far the best defense in the country and a pedestrian offense.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Just saw this so I need to add my 2 cent.. the reason why he's a nominee is because UCF had one of the worst defenses in the entire country last year. As in ranked almost dead last. They still have tons of holes and had a lot of injuries this year, but they have also shown tons of improvement in 1 season too.. Find a UCF fan and ask them and they will tell you this is the happiest about their defense and the best defense they have had in a long time.. add into that bringing in the best recruiting class UCF has ever had and you might begin to see why he's getting praise and recognition.

Depending on where you look.. their defense improve by over 50+ ranks in 1 year.


No LOL.

It's directly a result of the flip in offense. Heupel's offense is extreme and stresses his own defense almost as much as it stresses the opponent's. The difference is that their offense was actually functionally explosive last season - which means they got into firefights week in and week out. It is well hypothesized that teams that play offense like Heupel can not simultaneously field "shut-down" defenses - it's a tradeoff that is made. You can see this at Alabama as they've shifted away from ball-control to high-octane offenses under Saban. The defensive talent and recruiting hasn't changed, but their defenses are statistically "worse" in tune to their offense becoming better.

Malzahn's philosophy is a complete 180 - he has essentially turned into a ball control/grind-the-game-down type coach. That's why our defenses at Auburn got "better" in tune to his offense becoming slower, less dynamic, and less potent. If you look at their games against South Florida, you can see this. Last season they beat USF 58-46, whereas this season they beat them 17-13. What occurred is that they flipped from Heupel Ball to Malzahn Ball; on paper it looks like they made some miraculous defensive improvement, but really it's the STYLE OF PLAY that changed. They played a shootout last season, whereas Malzahn played an early 2000's SEC matchup this season. Their 12-point win last season was comfier than their 4-point win this season, and that's the whole logic in Heupel's strategy: he's fine to give up points, because he's confident that they have the advantage in a high scoring matchup. The matchup against Tulane was the exact same situation: 51-34 win last season, compared to a 14-10 win this season.

Do you know how I know their defense is as bad as it was last season? The 56 points they gave up against Cincinnati and the 55 points they gave up against SMU are more than they surrendered in ANY game last season - so against the actual competition on their schedule, the results were as bad if not worse. They held Cincinnati to 36 points last season. If you've watched them play defense this season, they really aren't any good.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 10:24 am
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69957 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:52 am to
quote:

what about their offense? did it go down?


I think what offense they had was gone when they lost their QB who was the best player in the team early in the season.

Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5313 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:19 pm to
For the record, UCF fans also love Gus and say his offense is way better than what Heupel was running.. They had even more injuries on the offensive side though, including their starting QB (Then a true freshman player) and starting RB for a period. Anyone that has a 247 sub go over there and ask them.. Gus already has the best recruits ever coming to the school, has rebuilt relationships with local schools that Heupel killed (As in Heupel completely ignored all local kids as a policy)and generally has the team headed in the right direction. This isn't a Gus should still be at Auburn post.. I think he's where he should be right now and so far its going well for everyone involved.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:24 pm to
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For the record, UCF fans also love Gus and say his offense is way better than what Heupel was running..


For the record, their AD and HC walked out and bolted for an SEC team. They've spent the entire year trying to talk themselves into believing that they hired a "National Champion caliber coach" while the results on the field have been largely embarrassing. Their offense has regressed ten-fold and they're struggling to beat literal junk teams.

I can't tell if you're drunk, or trolling.

2018: 43.2 PPG
2019: 43.9 PPG
2020: 42.2 PPG
2021: 32.2 PPG

They like Malzahn's offense better LOL?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50771 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

For the record, UCF fans also love Gus and say his offense is way better than what Heupel was running..
This is a lie.



Posted by BigBlueAU
Opelika
Member since Jul 2013
1386 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:54 pm to
After watching Young dismantle uga's defense, I think Mason should have been nominated on the Iron Bowl alone.
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5313 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 5:04 pm to
No, its not a lie. There are plenty of message boards with UCF fans.. don't listen to me, ask them. Of course their offensive numbers are down.. Gabriel got hurt in like the 2nd game of the season and then they had to play a true freshman QB. Their RB got hurt, they had injuries all over the place this year. According to UCF fans, Gus and the entire staff is an upgrade over anything else they've had before.
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
20519 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 5:14 pm to
quote:

After watching Young dismantle uga's defense, I think Mason should have been nominated on the Iron Bowl alone.


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