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Posted on 8/1/20 at 8:27 am to awestruck
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he used the disparaging f word
In conjunction with one of the President's children.
There's a big difference in saying "frick [insert name of public figure that disparages people and forces his views on everyone]" and saying "frick all police." I know you know that. I bet you've said it yourself. And despite how he acts, Donald Jr. is not a child.
Posted on 8/1/20 at 9:18 am to OlGrandad
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Mr. Goldberg was hired on a temporary, non-tenure-track assignment,” the university said.
so how long are we expecting to be graced with his presence? Dudes an embarrassment to the university and as I’ve stated before, his only interest is causing trouble so that when we kick him to the curb, he can claim oppression and use it to springboard his academic career at another institution.
This post was edited on 8/1/20 at 9:22 am
Posted on 8/1/20 at 1:37 pm to Ross
That's exactly what he's doing. Pathetic. And depressing, because it's not surprising.
Posted on 8/1/20 at 4:08 pm to Awesome Dave
Alabama is a right-to-work state so a non-tenured lecturer at an Alabama public university would have no legal grounds for a lawsuit!
Posted on 8/1/20 at 4:26 pm to PrattvilleTiger
i don't think he wants a lawsuit to succeed. he wants attention. unfortunately, he's getting it.
Posted on 8/1/20 at 4:45 pm to slacker130
quote:Alabama is an at will state correct?
I'd throw money to support the lawsuit on behalf of the University firing this hate-filled clown.
Posted on 8/1/20 at 4:50 pm to ChexMix
Correct
Posted on 8/1/20 at 6:11 pm to HailToTheChiz
quote:No legal grounds then. Kick his arse to the curb and try to wipe the shite stain off Auburn's good name as soon as possible
Correct
eta: i'd also be wary of Goldberg becoming a school shooter. He is not stable
This post was edited on 8/1/20 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 8/1/20 at 11:24 pm to Awesome Dave
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he wants attention. unfortunately, he's getting it.
Then no reason to not fire him now before he gets any more. I'd much rather deal with half a plate of shite then a full one.
Plus I wouldn't want him having any influence over students and I'd trespass his arse as soon as I fired him.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:31 am to awestruck
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... he used the disparaging f word
In conjunction with one of the President's children.
Didnt see that. Thanks
Posted on 8/2/20 at 10:17 am to LanierSpots
There are only two considerations to be made by the University President and English Department Dean.
1. He should have been fired ten minutes ago.
2. He'll be fired in ten minutes.
End of consideration.
1. He should have been fired ten minutes ago.
2. He'll be fired in ten minutes.
End of consideration.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:57 pm to bluedragon
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Im not a alumni and have no dog in this fight but I agree with this. Now that he has gotten public attention, firing him now would bring the wrath of the "current movement" to Auburns doors.
This would the affect of the torrent of "movement folks" coming into Auburn.
One lone PETA Protestor bitching about Spirit flying into the window by mistake .....People laughing and asking if she would like a hot dog.
ANTIFA headed to a protest at Halley Center. Cops telling them "Take off the mask or spend the protest sitting in jail."
ANTIFA would have gained more air time in Turd Town.
My favorite sign on the front porch of a home in Turd Town.
"This is an Auburn Family and home. If you are not here to say good things about Auburn, get the hell off my porch." holding my ID Badge.
Got a hug from the Home Owner when he saw my lanyard
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:43 pm to ChexMix
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Alabama is an at will state correct?
An employer can fire anyone for any reason except an illegal one, and since Auburn is technically the state, the 1st Amendment applies here. It sucks and I hope this guy realizes he's not wanted here, packs his shite up and leaves, but he's afforded constitutional protections here that may make firing his arse illegal.
FIRE has taken notice of this one. That is a big deal.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:59 pm to HailToTheChiz
I mean who cares about 12...
Look at responses....of course lol
Look at responses....of course lol
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:03 pm to Bigbens42
Yeah with FIRE weighing in Auburn will need to be cautious.
I certainly agree with FIRE's goal, and they're 100% correct that you don't want Auburn using a hate speech basis for removing an employee even when it's the opposite of how such bases are typically used.
Ideally, I'd like to see us put out a statement that Auburn will not punish Goldberg, but rather looks forward to the discourse and critique from students and fellow instructors/professors during the coming academic year. Ultimately, Goldberg's position with the University will be judged based on his success in instruction and ability to have a measurable educational impact on Auburn students.
In other words, declare open season on him. If he can somehow weather it and students like his courses - fine. If he cowers and pitches a fit because he expected a college that would either fire him for speech or protect his radical views, good, get rid of him at the end of his contract and let others know that if you bring that weak arse pseudo-academic social justice shite to Auburn you will get no safe quarter.
I certainly agree with FIRE's goal, and they're 100% correct that you don't want Auburn using a hate speech basis for removing an employee even when it's the opposite of how such bases are typically used.
Ideally, I'd like to see us put out a statement that Auburn will not punish Goldberg, but rather looks forward to the discourse and critique from students and fellow instructors/professors during the coming academic year. Ultimately, Goldberg's position with the University will be judged based on his success in instruction and ability to have a measurable educational impact on Auburn students.
In other words, declare open season on him. If he can somehow weather it and students like his courses - fine. If he cowers and pitches a fit because he expected a college that would either fire him for speech or protect his radical views, good, get rid of him at the end of his contract and let others know that if you bring that weak arse pseudo-academic social justice shite to Auburn you will get no safe quarter.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 6:42 pm to Pettifogger
Has this guy not been fired yet? What if he had said what he said about other groups of people (also wrong, but that's not the point, also don't cancel me)? Would free speech protect him then? Or would the university be cowering before our new overlords? This crap is beyond ridiculous.
Eta: You would be hard-pressed to find a stauncher defender of the 1st amendment than myself, but the 1st amendment does not protect us from suffering consequences when our actions reflect on our employers or selves. The double standards in today's society are out of control.
Eta: You would be hard-pressed to find a stauncher defender of the 1st amendment than myself, but the 1st amendment does not protect us from suffering consequences when our actions reflect on our employers or selves. The double standards in today's society are out of control.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 8/3/20 at 7:53 pm to audodger
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Eta: You would be hard-pressed to find a stauncher defender of the 1st amendment than myself, but the 1st amendment does not protect us from suffering consequences when our actions reflect on our employers or selves.
For being one of the "staunchest defenders of the 1st amendment," you just made an argument that is the polar opposite.
Like it or not, Auburn is a public institution, therefore it is of the government, and the central idea of free speech with regard to the 1st Amendment is that the government can not curtail that right.
You can raise hell and ridicule this a-hole until you're blue in the face, but Auburn University needs to tread carefully. The 1st Amendment protects far more than the stuff we won't get pissed at, and for a damn good reason.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 7:57 pm to Pettifogger
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Ideally, I'd like to see us put out a statement that Auburn will not punish Goldberg, but rather looks forward to the discourse and critique from students and fellow instructors/professors during the coming academic year. Ultimately, Goldberg's position with the University will be judged based on his success in instruction and ability to have a measurable educational impact on Auburn students.
In other words, declare open season on him. If he can somehow weather it and students like his courses - fine. If he cowers and pitches a fit because he expected a college that would either fire him for speech or protect his radical views, good, get rid of him at the end of his contract and let others know that if you bring that weak arse pseudo-academic social justice shite to Auburn you will get no safe quarter.
This is the right answer.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 9:24 pm to Bigbens42
I don't know that I want to get into a legal debate here, but I don't think that, just because you work for a public university, you can just say whatever you want and keep your job. It's not that cut and dry. But, is saying "frick all police" enough to justify firing a guy from a public school? Don't know. But, maybe the better idea is to ignore the fricker and let his contract expire.
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