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re: What are we doing, seriously?????
Posted on 10/21/25 at 9:46 pm to jangalang
Posted on 10/21/25 at 9:46 pm to jangalang
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Highly doubt we can do worse than Freeze
I’m old enough to remember when everyone was saying, “Highly doubt we can do worse than Gus and his micky mouse offense.”
Yet here we are.
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if we hired Sumrall.
You mean the guy who’s team beat South Alabama this season by 2 points?… the same South Alabama team people were freaking out about AU beating by 16?
Tulane lost to Ole Miss by 5 touchdowns… managing just 3 offensive points in the first 3 quarters and 10 minutes of game time.
Tulane beat Army by just 7 points this week. That same Army squad lost to FCS Tarleton State this season.
Look, Sumrall might be a decent coach if he had better resources, but looking at Tulane’s performance under him, it’s spotty at best. There’s not a ton to be overly impressed with. Yes he beat Duke and Northwestern, but those are very bad P4 teams.
I think it’s just amazing how people can pick apart road losses to Top 5 teams that were within a single score because of “the way we looked”… but then in the same moment, can look a few miles south a salivate over a coach who’s team just barely beat Army.
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 9:54 pm to AUTiger789
Dont care.
Freeze is a very low bar. 5 wins a year.
Freeze is a very low bar. 5 wins a year.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 10:00 pm to jangalang
Worst AU coach since… go
Posted on 10/21/25 at 10:01 pm to auburnnyc94
Earl Brown, 1948-50 was pretty trash. Could be worse I guess
Posted on 10/21/25 at 10:15 pm to auburnnyc94
Sumrall isn't my top pick but obviously I would take my chances with him over what Freeze has done.
I think 789 is moreso making a better argument for those that can win a meager 8 in a year.
I think 789 is moreso making a better argument for those that can win a meager 8 in a year.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:11 pm to jangalang
i think we're in an awful situation. Worse than we were with Harsin and Gus.
First, if we're going to fire Freeze (we should), then why would Cohen get to hang around? Ain't gonna let him "hire" two football coaches. New AD and coach is a lot of work.
Second, absolutely one of the worst times in a while to be in the coaching search market. We will be bottom of the totem pole of Florida, PSU, FSU. Gonna just be brutal. Would love to get Sumrall but if any of those three show interest, no chance.
Should have given Durkin the reins before Mizzou but obvious media problems, and I've heard it intimated that the PTB don't really want Durkin, so having him win a few games wouldn't be ideal for them.
Not a lot of easy answers here IMO.
First, if we're going to fire Freeze (we should), then why would Cohen get to hang around? Ain't gonna let him "hire" two football coaches. New AD and coach is a lot of work.
Second, absolutely one of the worst times in a while to be in the coaching search market. We will be bottom of the totem pole of Florida, PSU, FSU. Gonna just be brutal. Would love to get Sumrall but if any of those three show interest, no chance.
Should have given Durkin the reins before Mizzou but obvious media problems, and I've heard it intimated that the PTB don't really want Durkin, so having him win a few games wouldn't be ideal for them.
Not a lot of easy answers here IMO.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:23 pm to Fear The Thumb
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I’m hearing the PTB don’t want to pay the buyout so we riding with Hugh.
The only way that would work is if Freeze becomes head coach in name only and in reality head recruiter because that's the only thing he did well. Then bring in a great OC with the real power, a QB coach show knows which end is up and an O-line coach who can fire up the line.
Might win some games that way.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 5:54 am to Auburn1968
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The only way that would work is if Freeze becomes head coach in name only and in reality head recruiter because that's the only thing he did well. Then bring in a great OC with the real power, a QB coach show knows which end is up and an O-line coach who can fire up the line
No good OC is going to want to work for a lame duck coach and we’d get murdered on the recruit trail. Keeping Freeze around will do more damage long term than Harsin ever could. I can absolutely believe we’re in that bad of a place with the boosters that run this program and we’ll take Vandy’s place at the bottom if so.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:20 am to AUCom96
I guess Sexton must have told Cohen that none of his clients are interested.
We are close.
Close to the very bottom of P4 football.
We are close.
Close to the very bottom of P4 football.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:05 am to makersmark1
Sucks when you hire two terrible coaches back to back.
I'm not as mad about the Harsin hire as I am the Hugh hire. Harsin at least could be explained away with "potential."
Anyone objective enough could see that Hugh was mid on his very best day and likely washed up. The fact that NO other team sniffed Hugh for an HC opening in 6 years should be the first clue.
Anyone directly involved with the Hugh hiring needs to take a lap and absolutely not be involved with the next hire.
For those saying we can't hire anyone better and we might as well ride this into the ground, I hope you have zero influence on the admin @ AU.
I'm not as mad about the Harsin hire as I am the Hugh hire. Harsin at least could be explained away with "potential."
Anyone objective enough could see that Hugh was mid on his very best day and likely washed up. The fact that NO other team sniffed Hugh for an HC opening in 6 years should be the first clue.
Anyone directly involved with the Hugh hiring needs to take a lap and absolutely not be involved with the next hire.
For those saying we can't hire anyone better and we might as well ride this into the ground, I hope you have zero influence on the admin @ AU.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:18 am to AUTiger789
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I think it’s just amazing how people can pick apart road losses to Top 5 teams that were within a single score because of “the way we looked”… but then in the same moment, can look a few miles south a salivate over a coach who’s team just barely beat Army.
Not really...Sumrall...
Went to high school in Alabama
Coached at Troy (he has Alabama ties!)
Was mentored by the great Neil Brown!
He's tough!
He's ready!
He's a "dog!"
Huge litmus test for the program. If Sumrall is hired we 100%, definitely have a Jerry Jones / Daniel Snyder problem.
No way this is Cohen's top choice.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:32 am to pdfield34
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He's tough! He's ready! He's a "dog!"
Which means he is more qualified than Freeze.
Sumrall reminds me of a blue chip worker.
Freeze reminds me of a lazy bum begging for a check
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:06 am to jangalang
I'm open to hearing about anything other than a Billy Napier type record in G5.
Freeze had beat Saban twice, had at least a top recruiting class in the SEC, and turned an Auburn QB reject in an NFL draft pick.
Hasn't worked out but hindsight is 50/50, as they say.
Freeze had beat Saban twice, had at least a top recruiting class in the SEC, and turned an Auburn QB reject in an NFL draft pick.
Hasn't worked out but hindsight is 50/50, as they say.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:07 am to Foy
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Second, absolutely one of the worst times in a while to be in the coaching search market. We will be bottom of the totem pole of Florida, PSU, FSU. Gonna just be brutal. Would love to get Sumrall but if any of those three show interest, no chance.
I don't expect that there is going to be much overlap in the candidates that Penn State and Florida are pursuing versus the candidates that we would theoretically pursue. Not unless you think that Lane Kiffin is an option (which I don't).
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:19 am to AUTiger789
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I think it’s just amazing how people can pick apart road losses to Top 5 teams that were within a single score because of “the way we looked”… but then in the same moment, can look a few miles south a salivate over a coach who’s team just barely beat Army.
Dear god, every post of yours is dumber than the last.
Good coaches find ways to win, bad coaches find ways to lose. End of discussion. Nobody is "picking apart road losses", we are using our eyes and brains to notice a repeated trend where we are being horrendously outcoached, which is why we are losing games. We just had two offensive possessions in overtime against Missouri and the end result was a combined negative yards gained.
Your attempts to try to nullify Sumrall's wins are hilarious. Army won 12 games last season and they also upset Kansas State this year (I notice you conveniently left that one out). They also run an irregular offense that is hard to prepare for. Duke is NOT a bad team. In fact, they just took undefeated Georgia Tech to the 4th quarter last week. Duke fields one of the biggest transfer-portal QB's from this past cycle (Darian Mensah) who ironically just so happened to come from Tulane. Northwestern is 5-2 and beat super-prospect James Franklin's arse with half the talent.
At the end of the day Tulane is 6-1 and has managed to find ways to win close games, and we are 3-4 and have found ways to lose every close game we have been in. Oh wow - Tulane lost by a bunch of points against a vastly more talented OIe Miss team!
Nobody knows whether Sumrall will succeed or not. However, he is a tough SOB and he is very intense. His teams feed off of that energy. Meanwhile, is anyone surprised that our super-team of talent keeps folding like a cheap tent in any close game once you see who is on the sidelines? Freeze is dejected, demoralized, and doesn't even look like he himself believes that they will win. This type of coach will GUARANTEE that you will never have any sort of consistent success.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:52 am to pdfield34
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Freeze had beat Saban twice, had at least a top recruiting class in the SEC, and turned an Auburn QB reject in an NFL draft pick. Hasn't worked out but hindsight is 50/50, as they say.
Exactly this. Freeze’s record at Ole Miss was admirable considering that he inherited. He won 9 games against ranked opponents.
His record at Liberty was no different than what Sumrall’s record at Tulane looks like. Heck he guided Liberty to a #17 finish one season with a 10-1 record.
Everyone fawning over Sumrall or Golesh need to realize that all these coaches who’ve succeeded at smaller schools are absolute gambles. Sometimes they do well, other times you are writing a check for another $15 million 2-3 years later.
At least Freeze had SEC HC experience and was deemed overall successful.
Considering Kiffin turned us down, Freeze was the best option on the table at that time.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:03 am to AUTiger789
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Everyone fawning over Sumrall or Golesh need to realize that all these coaches who’ve succeeded at smaller schools are absolute gambles. Sometimes they do well, other times you are writing a check for another $15 million 2-3 years later.
You think that's bad. I think its a cycle. Holding onto dead beat coaches is the excess.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:24 am to AUTiger789
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Firing Harsin to hope we could get Kiffin is why we ended up with Freeze. Firing Freeze without a plan is how we get someone even worse.
Bingo. Win or lose Saturday if Freeze is fired on Sunday its because they have their guy.
Would be bonkers to fire him without a handshake deal with someone. Theres too many other good jobs open to risk not having a plan.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:27 am to metafour
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Nobody is "picking apart road losses"
The hell no one is. Auburn has lost to four top 15 teams by a combined 23 points in regulation, and you’d think we were getting beat by 30+ points and it was like 2012 all over again.
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Your attempts to try to nullify Sumrall's wins are hilarious
So you find absolute facts hilarious?
Here is Sumrall’s season to date:
Win over Northwestern
Northwestern still has zero wins over FBS division teams with a winning record.
Win over South Alabama
USA is sitting at 0-6 against FBS level opponents, and Tulane was fortunate to win this game. Final score was 33-31.
Win over Duke
By far his best win of the season. Even still, Duke is ranked in the #40 - #50 range by most metrics, and the Blue Devils lost to the two ranked teams they’ve played this season by an average of 18 points each.
Loss to Ole Miss
This was an all-out drubbing. Outgained by nearly 300 yards. Trailed 45-3 until they finally scored a garbage TD with 3 minutes to play.
Win over Tulsa
Tulsa is 1-5 against FBS level opponents. Their only win is over Oklahoma State who is rated the worst P4 school in the country and is yet to win a game against an FBS opponent.
Win over East Carolina
This 7-point win over the Pirates is probably his second best win of the season. ECU is 3-3 against FBS level opponents, yet none of the three wins were over anyone decent. This ECU team lost to BYU at home by three scores for reference.
Win over Army
Army is 3-4 and lost to FCS Tarleton State.
I’m sorry, but if you look at that resume and say, “Wow that’s impressive” but yet you pick apart single score road losses to current Top 3 opponents, you are not a serious person and you’re not operating in good faith. Full stop.
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At the end of the day Tulane is 6-1 and has managed to find ways to win close games
Apples and oranges. HAVING close games against the likes of South Alabama and Army is the red flag.
Against ranked opponents:
Tulane is 0-1, losing by 35 points on avg
Auburn is 0-4, losing by 7 points on avg
Against teams not ranked:
Tulane is 6-0, winning by 10 points on avg
Auburn is 3-0, winning by 23 points on average
And again. We have a common opponent. Auburn was sloppy and still beat USA by a score of 31-15. Tulane barely hung on win, 33-31.
I have no problem with Sumrall. He might be a decent coach. But there is nothing in his resume that jumps out any different than how Freeze did at Liberty. And trying to pretend so makes you look foolish.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:34 am to AUTiger789
I love how you think fearmongering things can get worse than Freeze is some legit argument.
5-7 fire them
4-8 fire them
3-9 fire them
They all look the same to me.
Are we about to miss a bowl game again Mrs Freeze?
5-7 fire them
4-8 fire them
3-9 fire them
They all look the same to me.
Are we about to miss a bowl game again Mrs Freeze?
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