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re: What are we doing, seriously?????
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:42 pm to jangalang
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:42 pm to jangalang
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Sumrall is young, competitive, and willing to learn to grow.
Nobody is questioning his age or competitive spirit. Just don't know if his past success will translate to SEC ball. There's been some good ones that have and some promising young guys that didn't translate.
We'll find out soon enough though. Someone will hire him this go round
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:43 pm to jangalang
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Yes he can. We went 9-4. We also played 4 QBs in one game and coughed up the lead against LSU.
Once again, if you are refusing to acknowledge SOS, you are either stupid or manipulative.
Auburn’s opponents in 2017, using Final AP rankings:
#1 Alabama (13-1)- WIN
#2 Georgia (13-2)- WIN
#2 Georgia (13-2)- Loss
#4 Clemson (12-2)- Loss
#6 UCF (13-0)- Loss
#18 LSU (9-4)- Loss
#19 Mississippi State (9-4)- WIN
Texas A&M (7-6)- WIN
Missouri (7-6)- WIN
Ole Miss (6-6)- WIN
Arkansas (4-8)- WIN
LA-Monroe (4-8)- WIN
GA-Southern (2-10)- WIN
Mercer (FCS)- WIN
Every single loss was away from home.
Auburn played 7 ranked opponents that season… the most in the country.
Auburn played FIVE Top 6 teams… No one else in America played more than TWO that season!
When you play three extra games against Top 6 competition, it’s inevitably going to lead to more losses in all likelihood. This does not mean you fielded a bad team, and to pretend the 2017 team was a bad team makes you look super manipulative.
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Now you're talking about a five loss team with playoff caliber talent on defense.
Bullshite. The 2019 team went 9-4. It did not have 5 losses. You know you’re wrong if you have to lie to try to make a point.
The 2019 team played nearly just as impossible of a schedule as the 2017 team.
Auburn’s opponents in 2019, using Final AP rankings:
#1 LSU (15-0)- Loss
#4 Georgia (12-2)- Loss
#5 Oregon (12-2)- WIN
#6 Florida (11-2)- Loss
#8 Alabama (11-2)- WIN
#10 Minnesota (11-2)- Loss
Texas A&M (8-5)- WIN
Tulane (7-6)- WIN
Kent St (7-6)- WIN
Mississippi State (6-7)- WIN
Ole Miss (4-8)- WIN
Arkansas (2-10)- WIN
Samford (FCS)- WIN
Four losses. All to Top 10 teams. Yet a win over #8 Bama in the Iron Bowl and a win over Top 5 Oregon in Dallas.
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5 loss teams are just average in mettle and grit. Nothing to brag about other than the Iron Bowl game
Well that wasn’t a 5-loss team. And to even pretend that the 2019 was just some run of the mill 4-loss team is blasphemous. That team played National Champ LSU closer than anyone… taking them down to the wire in Baton Rouge. That was a very good team.
And once again, the schedule must be taken into account.
Auburn played SIX Top 10 teams that season… more than anyone else in the country. The rest of the SEC averaged playing just 2.6 that year. Bama only played one!
When you play six Top 10 opponents and everyone else is playing two or three max, of course it’s going to affect the W/L record.
To refuse to acknowledge that is foolish.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:43 pm to jangalang
quote:the more i hear from this guy, the more i like him
Here's a great interview from Sumrall on TNR
ETA: just searched and found out he’s a Sexton client
fuuuuuuuuuu
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:50 pm to FearlessFreep
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still want to keep him another year?
I never said I wanted to keep him another year!! What I don’t want is to make ANOTHER knee jerk reaction with no plan. That exact thing is what got us into this mess.
I’d rather keep Freeze than pull the trigger and then hope some schmuck is stupid enough to take the job. If we have a plan in place that will for sure be an upgrade, I’m open to it. But count me out if we are just going to keep repeating the same mistakes that led us to this point.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 4:31 pm to AUTiger789
#1 - There is nothing "knee jerk" about firing a coach who has failed by every metric that matters despite fielding a very expensive and talented roster. Just so you are aware: the general opinion among CFB fans outside Auburn is one of shock that he hasn't ALREADY been fired. The fact that he hasn't been fired yet is the surprise here. Not just to Auburn fans, but to everyone else as well.
#2 - Freeze is not failing miserably because we "didn't have a plan". They HAD a plan when they ended up with Freeze. He is failing because he is a bad football coach at this point. There was no plan when they hired Harsin, but that isn't who we are talking about firing today. The plan to hire Freeze was there; it simply was not the right plan now that that we can evaluate in hindsight.
#3 - Given that there are ~6 more weeks before the end of the regular season; there is more than enough time to come up with a "plan". They have already started talks on that front.
#2 - Freeze is not failing miserably because we "didn't have a plan". They HAD a plan when they ended up with Freeze. He is failing because he is a bad football coach at this point. There was no plan when they hired Harsin, but that isn't who we are talking about firing today. The plan to hire Freeze was there; it simply was not the right plan now that that we can evaluate in hindsight.
#3 - Given that there are ~6 more weeks before the end of the regular season; there is more than enough time to come up with a "plan". They have already started talks on that front.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:28 pm to metafour
Posted on 10/23/25 at 7:42 pm to metafour
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#1 - There is nothing "knee jerk" about firing a coach who has failed by every metric that matters despite fielding a very expensive and talented roster.
If the expectation coming into the season was that he needed to get to 7-5 or 8-4 to avoid getting fired… and if he’s still only at 4 losses having played 4 of the 5 hardest teams on the schedule, it’s a knee jerk reaction to fire him at this point. Especially when all four losses were within one score and two had such costly missed calls by the officials that the SEC had to come out and make formal apologies and fire a longtime ref.
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Just so you are aware: the general opinion among CFB fans outside Auburn is one of shock that he hasn't ALREADY been fired.
Thanks for making me aware. I didn’t know you were so in tune to to the pulse of the entire nation of college football fans.
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#2 - Freeze is not failing miserably because we "didn't have a plan".
Freeze IS THE COACH because we didn’t have a plan dipshit. Many of us were saying, “If you fire Gus without a solid plan, we will turn into Tennessee and have a revolving door of coach hirings and firings. We’re there bud, in case you haven’t noticed.
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#3 - Given that there are ~6 more weeks before the end of the regular season; there is more than enough time to come up with a "plan".
That’s all the Auburn fans with a brain are asking for. But this is ironically being discusssd in a thread titled, “What are we doing, seriously???? “ posted because we didn’t fire Freeze before he could reach the tunnel on Saturday, which would obviously have been done so WITHOUT A PLAN.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 7:53 pm to AUTiger789
He's given extra help because of the close losses to highly ranked teams AND the officiating
However it doesn't change the fact we look dysfunctional on offense and special teams
I think if that continues against Arkansas and we get an L then he's out immediately
However it doesn't change the fact we look dysfunctional on offense and special teams
I think if that continues against Arkansas and we get an L then he's out immediately
Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:22 pm to AUTiger789
quote:ok, we seem to be arguing over nothing
AUTiger789
will you at least agree that if AU finishes 6-6 or worse that Freezus is potentially not the answer?
and that if the PTB actually have a plan to replace him that they should be permitted to do so?
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:33 pm to FearlessFreep
They have no plan. If they do, what reason is there to think its a good one?
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:27 pm to AU86
Didn’t know much about Sumrall until I just watched that. Thanks for posting. He’s a winner. He’d look good in JHS
Posted on 10/23/25 at 11:02 pm to HailToTheChiz
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He's given extra help because of the close losses to highly ranked teams AND the officiating
However it doesn't change the fact we look dysfunctional on offense and special teams
There's so many little details you can point to outside of Hugh's abysmal record. Awful special teams play, OL penalties, timeout management.
There's just nothing you can point to on game day that's a positive. He wants to throw the fade to Laquan Treadwell every play, and that's pretty much the only thing he coaches.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 8:18 am to AUTiger789
I wouldn't say the jury is still out. He's clearly a good coach doing what he is doing at Indiana.
That said, yeah, I would have pitched a fit if we hired him 3 years ago.
That said, yeah, I would have pitched a fit if we hired him 3 years ago.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 8:19 am to jangalang
I am intrigued by Sumrall I must say. Far from a slam dunk but would be a breath of fresh air.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 8:31 am to TailbackU
It would be lunacy to hire someone without NIL and portal experience at a big time program, when, at minimum you have DJ Durkin and Glenn Schumann available.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 8:42 am to pdfield34
There is absolutely nothing to suggest Schumann and Durkin could handle NIL/portal successfully at a big time program any better than Sumrall or even Freeze could for that matter. It's not like there are trade secrets.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 8:53 am to pdfield34
I actually think if you look at the general college football landscape and current AP top 10/15 the thing that matters now more than ever is simply being a good football coach. Taking transient rosters, blocking out the noise, scheming and playing sound, good football is how you get into the playoff. Player development obviously still matters but not as much as it did 5 years ago and recruiting rankings matter but not even close to as much as they did 5-10 years go.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 8:58 am to FearlessFreep
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will you at least agree that if AU finishes 6-6 or worse that Freezus is potentially not the answer?
Absolutely. But the “fire the coach before he gets to the tunnel” mentality that it seems the majority of the people have in this fanbase is not the right approach.
I’d rather Cohen and the large donors formulate a plan that can be executed swiftly, and if that means Freeze coaches through the end of the season, then so be it. Weeks of “hot boards” and finding out we’ve been turned down again compounds our issues as a program.
They better know who their man is before they fire Freeze, and they better have a firm agreement.
This post was edited on 10/24/25 at 9:53 am
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:16 am to AUTiger789
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I’d rather Cohen and the large donors formulate a plan that can be executed swiftly, and if that means Freeze coaches through the end of the season, then so be it. Weeks of “hot boards” and finding out we’ve been turned down again compounds our issues as a program.
We are just fans. What we do has nothing to do what the AD does.
Hypothesizing that firing Freeze is being rash is overlooking the situation and you apparently did that for the Malzahn/ Harsin era as well. Not one time have we fired either coach in a knee jerk moment. We should have fired Harsin and Malzahn earlier than we did.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:19 am to auburnnyc94
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I wouldn't say the jury is still out. He's clearly a good coach doing what he is doing at Indiana.
I brought his name up when we were looking for Spuds replacement. I watched some of JMU because I like watching the playoffs at the end of the year. Went back and looked at his teams, tenure etc. I watched when they played NDS for the title but lost. Tough coached team. I watched some of their games the next couple of years. Then dug into his past when we were looking around.
Great track record.
A lot might have pitched a fit until his first few games. We wouldn't have had bad play but would have had hard nose football. The dude wins.
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