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re: Watched the game twice my observations
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:31 pm to alpinetiger
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:31 pm to alpinetiger
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:01 pm to alpinetiger
If we’re playing our biggest rivals, I would hope they would do anything to win the game and not worry about what might happen.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:10 pm to jvilletiger25
Oh sweet irony. Gus got so much shite for Kerryon getting injured during the Iron bowl win .
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:12 pm to CorchJay
How could you stomach watching that shitshow 3 times?
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:20 pm to jangalang
Man, you’ve been defending Gus and Bo hard lately. Who hacked your account?
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:21 pm to wartiger2004
I do it all the time. Its easy to do on YouTube and you don't need to fast forward anything. Its just the plays and you can watch an entire game in 26-32 minutes.
In hindsight now that our WR coach has been fired you look at the critical drops in the Penn St. game. I don't know if being coached by another person would have made a difference, but there were legitimately 14 more points that we left on the field with those drops/errors, IMO. I'm just a caveman, but I bet Harsin saw this as well and is trying to correct it.
In hindsight now that our WR coach has been fired you look at the critical drops in the Penn St. game. I don't know if being coached by another person would have made a difference, but there were legitimately 14 more points that we left on the field with those drops/errors, IMO. I'm just a caveman, but I bet Harsin saw this as well and is trying to correct it.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:26 pm to jvilletiger25
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Man, you’ve been defending Gus and Bo hard lately. Who hacked your account?
That’s not even a defense.
Though I did defend Gus over him “ riding Kerryon into the ground” that day. Gus shouldn’t have run Kerryon that much against the cupcake the week before but that was a by product not being able to take over the game until late. A lot of the gripes here are whimsical and fake. Just pointing that out.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:26 pm to CorchJay
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I think Bo still thinks to much. He has had to much coaching.
I agree with this. I am by no means an expert, but it looked to me like he would stop looking for open receivers but not use his legs to gain some yards --- like he was acting out of habit on the first bit and then overthinking the second bit.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:33 pm to CorchJay
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As fans we said we would be happy with improvements from Bo to be around the mid 60’s completion percentage, not throw bad INTs when plays break down just throw it away and punt, also to not go rogue in the pocket. He has done all those.
His last 3 games:
GSU: 13 for 27 (48.1%) for 156 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Penn State: 21 for 37 (56.8%) for 185 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
AL State: 9 for 17 (52.9%) for 108 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT
Two of those games came against cupcakes. He has thrown 2 touchdowns in his last 3 games.
He has reverted back to being a ~mid 50's completion passer.
The issue is that this is modern-era college football he's playing in. Go and study his stat-lines over 3-years...he's a guy that would have "worked" back in the early 2000's in Tuberville's days of 3-yards and a cloud of dust offenses. Today, we play teams that have QB's that can drop 400 yards and 3+ TD's through the air on a whim. This whole idea of a low efficiency, low output QB who "doesn't throw interceptions" doesn't work anymore. You literally just saw a mid-major team stack the box against us and dare him to beat them with his arm, and he couldn't. As a result they controlled our running game. This is a rebuilding team with a not-so-good OL - we can't run the ball if the other team is going to just sell out to stop the run.
I just don't understand the refusal from some to commit away from a QB who over 3-years has proven to be the definition of a "game manager". What is the upside with continuing to commit to Bo Nix? He simply doesn't make enough plays with his arm on a consistent basis. That limits your offense so much in 2021.
And the low interception rate from him is literally the result of HOW he "misses" - it's not some magic skill of genius he's showing. I've explained this somany times: he runs towards the sideline and essentially throws the ball away. Yeah, its in the general direction of a receiver, but they're hot throws over everyone's heads. When he misses deep its uncatchable for not only our guy, but the defender as well. That's why you see these routine 15 for 30, 150 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT performances from him. Like okay, he didn't turn the ball over...but he did that by also failing to make any significant plays.
TJ Finley may ultimately suck as much as him, but at least he attempts passes that might lead to something. His biggest issue is that like most guys who have HUGE arms, he tends to push things too much. But what you saw out of him against Ga State is something you rarely see from Nix: he climbs the pocket and throws over the heart of the field which is generally where defenses "lose" receivers when pressure breaks the play down.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 4:13 pm to metafour
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TJ Finley may ultimately suck as much as him, but at least he attempts passes that might lead to something. His biggest issue is that like most guys who have HUGE arms, he tends to push things too much. But what you saw out of him against Ga State is something you rarely see from Nix: he climbs the pocket and throws over the heart of the field which is generally where defenses "lose" receivers when pressure breaks the play down.
This is the difference b/t a QB who is athletic but doesn't throw an accurate ball in different scenarios(deep, sideline, etc.) and a QB who is a PASSER who under duress or scrambling can make fairly accurate throws for completions.
On one play...remember the sideline pass Finley threw to Canion, as Finley was scrambling to his right, and Canion made a really nice catch before going out of bounds along the sideline?
Notice one thing about Finley. WHen Finley decides to throw it, he doesn't throw it too far towards the way Canion is almost out of bounds, no, he throws it to a spot inside the sideline, where Canion can reach to and catch it, keep his feet in bounds and make a legit catch.
The difference between a QB who just throws it, and QB who is thinking where he needs to throw it, to allow the WR a chance.
Finley, as you say may wilt under the pressure he is going to get, but he looks the part of a QB who helps a WR when the ball is coming to him...
Posted on 9/28/21 at 4:15 pm to metafour
I saw TJ Finley make one pass on 4th down that luckily was caught. That makes him a hero for a minute, it does not mean he is better than a healthy Bo.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 4:25 pm to allin2010
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I saw TJ Finley make one pass on 4th down that luckily was caught. That makes him a hero for a minute, it does not mean he is better than a healthy Bo.
You need to go back and watch the video.
Finley didn't come in for 1 pass. He was behind center on a 98 yard drive, ending in a TD.
Bo had 2.75 quarters to put together, even lesser drives to attempt to score a TD and failed.
That's more than a 1 pass analogy.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 4:28 pm to allin2010
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I saw TJ Finley make one pass on 4th down that luckily was caught. That makes him a hero for a minute, it does not mean he is better than a healthy Bo.
Luckily was caught? It was right at the receiver's face with a minor hop. No crazy body contortion required. No need for the receiver to jump 5 feet into the air to get his fingertips on the ball. I realize that accurate strikes are kind of a rare occurrence from an AU QB over the past few seasons, but to suggest that 4th down completion was some "miracle fluke" is mind-blowing. It was a perfect pass to a wide open receiver.
Posts like this one just PROVE that there is no objective way to hold a rational discussion with these people, because of one guy's last name. I have never seen so many people clawing and screeching to keep a ~55% completion percentage, 150-200 yards passing, ~1 TD QB into the lineup for this long. If the kid's name was Bo Jefferson he would have been boo'd out of the game about 15 starts ago. Jarrett Stidham got more shite than Nix did despite being so much more effective it's not even funny.
Normally when a fanbase refuses to let go of a QB, it's because they are some high risk "big play" specialist that every once in a while delivers some 400 yard game. What you are seeing here is literally devout refusal to look past a QB who's "GREAT GAME" is 250 yards and 2 touchdowns. Literally. Are you people really that excited to watch these 180-yard, 1 TD, 55% completion outputs? In 2021?
"Game managers" are normally the least popular types of QB's. They're the FIRST ones that fans demand to put on the bench. What we see at Auburn is some sort of parallel-universe type shite where the idea that seeing if someone else can do more is unfathomable.
This post was edited on 9/28/21 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 9/28/21 at 4:32 pm to metafour
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And the low interception rate from him is literally the result of HOW he "misses" - it's not some magic skill of genius he's showing. I've explained this somany times: he runs towards the sideline and essentially throws the ball away. Yeah, its in the general direction of a receiver, but they're hot throws over everyone's heads. When he misses deep its uncatchable for not only our guy, but the defender as well. That's why you see these routine 15 for 30, 150 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT performances from him. Like okay, he didn't turn the ball over...but he did that by also failing to make any significant plays.
I’d argue Bo has and can make significant plays. Does it really matter why he doesn’t throw much interceptions? He gets lucky sometimes but I have my own reasons for why he doesn’t throw interceptions. Regardless, by not throwing interceptions he is giving the drive a chance. Bo has a solid floor and we can win ballgames with that floor.
TJ is riskier and more prone to stupid mistakes. Big risk, sometimes big reward. I don’t know why so many argue for him to start over Bo when they don’t even know if he is any better
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The issue is that this is modern-era college football he's playing in. Go and study his stat-lines over 3-years...he's a guy that would have "worked" back in the early 2000's in Tuberville's days of 3-yards and a cloud of dust offenses. Today, we play teams that have QB's that can drop 400 yards and 3+ TD's through the air on a whim. This whole idea of a low efficiency, low output QB who "doesn't throw interceptions" doesn't work anymore. You literally just saw a mid-major team stack the box against us and dare him to beat them with his arm, and he couldn't. As a result they controlled our running game. This is a rebuilding team with a not-so-good OL - we can't run the ball if the other team is going to just sell out to stop the run.
We don’t have the jimmies and joes for modern day offense. We have 1 decent receiver that wouldn’t start for Georgia or Alabama, and other starters that wouldn’t start for Ole Miss. We do have two good running backs and an OL that ticks better while run blocking. We should play to our strengths- maybe with two back sets because that’s the only way we are going to win this year. Shivers 27 yard end around on Saturday
was because the defense was eye balling Tank in the backfield. Lastly, I have yet to see the hard play action fake that Harsin said he studied from Peyton. Plays like that can help both Nix or TJ.
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What is the upside with continuing to commit to Bo Nix?
Tons. Would you sell a stock knowing its already at the bottom? Bo’s bottom isn’t bad, but there is plenty of upside.
Bo Nix vs LSU last year 18-24, 300 yards, 3 TDs
11 carries, 81 yards 1 TD
That’s significant upside
This post was edited on 9/28/21 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 9/28/21 at 4:59 pm to metafour
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I have never seen so many people clawing and screeching to keep a ~55% completion percentage, 150-200 yards passing, ~1 TD QB into the lineup for this long.
I have never seen anybody complain about those stats yet beg for a QB with worse stats to start
But muh 98 yard drive
Posted on 9/28/21 at 5:15 pm to jangalang
But alas!!! Someone more delusional than metafour:
Smoke Monday: "I feel like this defense is one of the best in the country, and one of the best I've seen since I've been here."
Amazing what the concussions by beep boop Michael Alscott will do to you.
Smoke Monday: "I feel like this defense is one of the best in the country, and one of the best I've seen since I've been here."
Amazing what the concussions by beep boop Michael Alscott will do to you.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 5:41 pm to jangalang
quote:I wish I could fire Smoke Monday. He's been responsible for at least 50% of our defensive secondary breakdowns.
Smoke Monday: "I feel like this defense is one of the best in the country, and one of the best I've seen since I've been here."
Posted on 9/28/21 at 6:10 pm to alpinetiger
It's not just smoke but he's a big part of the problem on the back end. We have had 3 or 4 plays were a defender isn't in the frame of a WR catching a ball.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 6:12 pm to metafour
metafor I could type out a bunch of stuff I don't really care about justifying. Bo is a better QB based on data against live competition. You start him, he deserves that respect. If he falters then bring in Finley.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:10 pm to jangalang
quote:Against a team that averaged giving up 323 passing yards per game, despite playing the #79, #80, #97 and #117 passing offenses in CFB.
Bo Nix vs LSU last year 18-24, 300 yards, 3 TDs 11 carries, 81 yards 1 TD That’s significant upside
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