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re: Watched the game twice my observations

Posted on 9/27/21 at 8:22 pm to
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/27/21 at 8:22 pm to
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They do for some reason

preface: Only watched the last 4 minutes more than once; heaven forbid three complete times.

Was noticing how emotionless Finley was after scoring. I'd never really been able to get past TJ's deer in the head light look. Because he's always seemed to have shades of Jeremy Johnson just standing there looking lost. Then it struck me odd his emotionless, so I watched the last 5 minutes half a dozen times, and there he was not celebrating the TD. Same look I remembered. And then I saw it at 2:08 emotion, we're short a player and he comes alive, poining to 25 to hurry up and get your arse over there. And then another another watch through and at 0:59 when he's arguing and going... hey ref can't you see?

Maybe it's nothing or maybe it's just a stone cold demeanor and not what I had feared. Because it almost seemed about the fifth time through I could feel a hey guys calm down we got a two point conversion to think about.
Posted by freemanjiro
Izunokuni City, Shizuoka, Japan
Member since Nov 2013
1394 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 12:33 am to
I'll take

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it created emotion


for 1000$, Alex.

War Eagle
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:01 am to
Listening to Cole and McElroy this AM. They had McElroy breaking down Auburn because he's doing the game. Basically, he said the entire OL with the exception of center is awful.


I've been saying this since Bo walked on campus. Given the OL he has, it's amazing he gets anything done. Gus literally didn't recruit the position at all.
Posted by Niner
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:34 am to
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I've been saying this since Bo walked on campus. Given the OL he has, it's amazing he gets anything done. Gus literally didn't recruit the position at all.

I think this gets pushed under the rug too much. So often we isolate one thing as "the" problem when, in reality, Bo hasn't underperformed just because he isn't talented (I actually think he is pretty talented).

He has underperformed probably due to 5 or 6 different reasons - OL issues, lack of QB development under previous staff, WR drops, hurt confidence because of said drops, never feeling comfortable in the pocket and, therefore, has a hard time learning to go through his progressions. Is his talent suspect? Sure - but he hasn't gotten any help whatsoever since graduating HS until this year. Even this year the OL problems have not improved and the WR consistency has gotten worse.

That same assessment can be said for the WR group. Their lack of talent is probably more of a factor than Bo, in my humble opinion, but they also have a QB who has not developed a good deep ball, a QB coach who may have gotten fired because he simply wasn't a good coach, etc.

OL - same assessment can be applied.

Defense - same assessment can be applied.

Everything is interconnected and some things, like OL issues, make other issues seem worse than they are. For example, again, Bo probably would not be as poor at going through progressions if he had more time in the pocket to learn how and, thus, would be considered a better QB.

It's never as simple as it seems.
This post was edited on 9/28/21 at 8:35 am
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:42 am to
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Given the OL he has, it's amazing he gets anything done. Gus literally didn't recruit the position at all.


The OL has been a major issue going back to 2017. Clemson is currently experiencing what we experienced in 2017 and 2018. We had plenty of talent but couldn't block well enough to fully capitalize on that talent. Thankfully we had "take a 2 yard loss and make it a 4 yard gain KJ" for most of that 2017 season.

I don't know if Bo is a serviceable SEC QB, but he has played like it in spots. I do know the OL always seems to be an issue and rarely plays well going on multiple years. I also agree that while some of Bo's throws weren't perfect if our WR's make a few plays on Saturday none of this would be a discussion.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19180 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:46 am to
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I don't know if Bo is a serviceable SEC QB

The fact that we don't know, in year 3, is a massive problem.

Cole Cubelic talked about it this morning. He basically said that this roster just is not cut out to be a good SEC team. He said you can't pull an O-lineman if his performance is terrible because the guys behind him aren't any better. It's true. We saw it at linebacker this week. 1st half with Pappoe and Zakoby out and everyone is lost. Zakoby comes in and it's a different story.

He said he had a conversation with Saban while doing prep for one of the games he was on and Saban said that kids these days don't respond to anything but playing time. You can scream and make them run or whatever you can think of. But they don't get the message until you sit them for a while. Cole said that you cannot do that with this Auburn team because the vast majority of the backups aren't even close to ready or talented enough to be on the field in an SEC football game. And he is right.

It may take a good long while to crawl out of the hole that was dug for this program. Because recruiting isn't remotely close to where it should be to start making progress in getting the roster better.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36309 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:48 am to
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Listening to Cole and McElroy this AM. They had McElroy breaking down Auburn because he's doing the game. Basically, he said the entire OL with the exception of center is awful. I've been saying this since Bo walked on campus.

Yep!

Plus only Hudson is graded above 80 by PFF. The rest of the receivers way below that threshold.

It’s almost like people want Bo to be perfect the few occasions that receivers and OL do their jobs but also turn chicken shite into chicken salad when they’re not.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:51 am to
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It’s almost like people want Bo to be perfect the few occasions that receivers and OL do their jobs but also turn chicken shite into chicken salad when they’re not.


We just want him to not over throw wide open receivers as a third year starter.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36309 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:54 am to
Receivers get overthrown all the time, even in the NFL.


When you have studs that can get open this issue usually goes away.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:59 am to
I just wanted Bo to be consistent.

I agree the OL isn't great play after play.
I agree that the WRs were not getting the playbook down, or lines up correctly at times, not catching catchable balls.

But when Bo did have time, did have wide open WRs, he still consistently didn't hit them in stride, or threw it with poor mechanics...

He has had 3 years, a father who played the position, I am sure private lessons every summer to correct issues and make him a better passer, but he STILL does SOME, not all of the same things that makes him:

...less than a 60% passer
...still miss wide open WRs on deep throws

We now have a slightly experienced big time thrower in Finley to be there, if Harsin and Bobo feel the need to make something happen, if they don't see results.

This is the year to do everything possible to try to win as many games possible, with the weaknesses we have...

And I'll take that over the prior coach living and dying with who he put out there at the beginning of the season, and not making adjustments.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36309 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:52 am to
LINK

Full game replay.

Around the 22 minute mark Bo missed a wide open receiver for TD

Very next play the receiver dropped a TD pass.


That’s our issues in a nutshell
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

Full game replay.

Around the 22 minute mark Bo missed a wide open receiver for TD

Very next play the receiver dropped a TD pass.


That’s our issues in a nutshell



Add in this too:

At the 21:19 mark, Bo is back to pass, has a clean wide open pocket and he STILL decides to bail out to the right, even though he didn't need to. So bc he leaves the pocket the DE is able to leave and pursue him, and ofc he has to rush his high throw to Canion in the EZ.



Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36309 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 1:50 pm to
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At the 21:19 mark, Bo is back to pass, has a clean wide open pocket and he STILL decides to bail out to the right, even though he didn't need to.

I can show you many highlights where he did the same rolling out and nailed TD passes. That’s just who he is and who will continue to be.
Posted by Tickytiger
Auburn, AL
Member since Sep 2015
1263 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:01 pm to
Bo is more afraid of the INT than the incompletion. Hence, all the over throws. I think they are deliberate to a degree
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16565 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:06 pm to
I said what I needed to say prior in this thread but will add that over their careers Bo had higher completion percentage and QB rating then TJ. For what it’s worth.

As fans we said we would be happy with improvements from Bo to be around the mid 60’s completion percentage, not throw bad INTs when plays break down just throw it away and punt, also to not go rogue in the pocket. He has done all those. Even so much that has taken away a big threat from the offense… his legs.

I think Bo still thinks to much. He has had to much coaching. Now is the time to say son go out and play football and stop trying to be a perfect robot.

Just my opinion so take it for whatever it’s worth.
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
16993 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:13 pm to
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Even so much that has taken away a big threat from the offense… his legs.



He's never used his legs as much as he should have.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16565 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:16 pm to
He never had a competent backup to take to many chances. But if I ever see a QB 6’7” 260ish slide against a DB 180 LBs in college I’ll lose my shite lol
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36309 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:17 pm to
He needs to learn how to run for chunk plays and still slide safely like Daniel Jones for the Giants
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16565 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:18 pm to
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He's never used his legs as much as he should have.


You can go back through my post history you will see in keys to winning each of the big games Bama uga lsu etc…. I would always say Nix needs 8-12 carries.

Same still applies for this coming weekend
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:22 pm to
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He's never used his legs as much as he should have.

If AU thinks they have a competent guy as their #2 QB in Finley, we'd be silly not to run Nix 8-12 times depending on the game and situation. Nix is good at it and is very productive, and Loy's not coming in if Nix sprains an ankle.
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