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re: Watched the game twice my observations

Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:29 pm to
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11438 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:29 pm to
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I don’t know why so many argue for him to start over Bo
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, huh? Pages have been written since Saturday, explaining exactly that. Just because you are of a different opinion, doesn't mean you are right. You wouldn't have pulled Nix. Thank goodness the guy that get's to make that decision, went the other way.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36304 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:47 pm to
So you are really just gonna cut out the dependent clause to that quoted sentence just so you could have some lame retort.

Why even bother?
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28898 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:55 pm to
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I wish I could fire Smoke Monday. He's been responsible for at least 50% of our defensive secondary breakdowns

Smoke needs to add pounds and play Linebacker. He reminds me of Thomas Davis for Georgia/Carolina Panthers. He’s a downhill guy who will lay a hit. He doesn’t have the feet for secondary coverage.
Posted by freemanjiro
Izunokuni City, Shizuoka, Japan
Member since Nov 2013
1394 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 11:15 pm to
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Bo Nix vs LSU last year 18-24, 300 yards, 3 TDs 11 carries, 81 yards 1 TD That’s significant upside Against a team that averaged giving up 323 passing yards per game, despite playing the #79, #80, #97 and #117 passing offenses in CFB.


At Jordan MFing Hare Stadium. And LSU was steaming crap. And let's not get into "home" Bo and away "Bo". Like most of us, at least numbers wise (posters) we seem evenly split. It's a huge choice.

IMO, like many, Bo deserves a chance to show what that benching did for him. shite is real now. I hope for the sake of the team, coaching staff, everyone that Bo is given at least a half to go into LSU and show some positives. If not, then, he was given ample opportunities IMHO and let's see what TJ can do. You couldn't write a better script for TJ to go into Death Valley and pull out a win (or a beatdown) on his former team on their turf. I mean that's up there with UGA, Nick and JHS and the "miracle", former team and all. Coach Harsin and staff deserve every benefit of the doubt for this year and probably next. I have loved everything I have seen from him and how he goes about his work. He doesn't play. WDE
This post was edited on 9/28/21 at 11:20 pm
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 11:46 pm to
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I wish I could fire Smoke Monday. He's been responsible for at least 50% of our defensive secondary breakdowns.



He gets easily confused on who to cover.

What pisses me off about him..........he will get burned half a dozen times. A QB will overthrow a WR he is in the vicinity of and Smoke will do a throat slash like he accomplished something.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11438 posts
Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:20 am to
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So you are really just gonna cut out the dependent clause to that quoted sentence just so you could have some lame retort.

Why even bother?
You can't step away from your myopic view on Bo Nix, and look at the situation objectively. Nix has had every chance in the world to separate his self and be the clear cut #1 guy. Various posters here, have succinctly pointed out his stats and his lack of progression in basic fundamentals. Most importantly, his failure to get into the endzone. We had a guy come of the bench, cold, and play as well, if not better than the guy who has started for 3 years. At some point, you just have to cut bait.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:57 am to
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You can't step away from your myopic view on Bo Nix, and look at the situation objectively. Nix has had every chance in the world to separate his self and be the clear cut #1 guy. Various posters here, have succinctly pointed out his stats and his lack of progression in basic fundamentals. Most importantly, his failure to get into the endzone. We had a guy come of the bench, cold, and play as well, if not better than the guy who has started for 3 years. At some point, you just have to cut bait.




I see the difference in Nix and Finley on 1 play.

Nix's 4th down throw in the EZ of the Penn St game, and the 4th down throw by Finley in the Ga St game.
Both plays pretty much would seal us losing or winning.

Bo takes the 4th down call and executes it regardless of what he sees with the DB locking up Hudson, but throws it anyway.

JT takes the 4th down call, begins to execute it but reads the DB, sees he is locking up Jackson, and instead of executing the play anyway, he senses it's not going to work, pulls his arm back, and looks for another option.

The difference I feel is that Bo still, and I feel, will always lack QB mentality of how he sees a pass play developing and knowing instinctively to not execute a bad play or read the defense well enough to go a different direction.

Finley seems to show(with limited video ofc), a QB mentality that you can't teach, and it shows in how he sees a play, the defense, or an option that might be better than the play called.

Some QBs have it, some don't. It just seems to me that Finley thinks more like a passing QB, and Nix thinks more like an athlete who plays QB and has learned to be a passer, but his ceiling is what we have seen this year.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11438 posts
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:10 am to
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IMO, like many, Bo deserves a chance to show what that benching did for him
He should be making his case in practice this week.

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that Bo is given at least a half to go into LSU and show some positives.
He was give 3/4 of a game against a cupcake and had to be pulled.

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Coach Harsin and staff deserve every benefit of the doubt
They see Nix in practice everyday. We've all seen him in games. I'll defer to the coaches. No way will I be upset either way, whatever they decide.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11438 posts
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:14 am to
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He gets easily confused on who to cover.
Let's face it, some guys are just naturally gifted athletes. They don't have to think about what to do, they just react. I'm starting to think Smoke, with his antics after a play, isn't exactly a MENSA candidate. Zone defense is going to be a huge struggle, as opposed to "See that guy? Cover him" defense.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:19 am to
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They see Nix in practice everyday. We've all seen him in games. I'll defer to the coaches. No way will I be upset either way, whatever they decide.


I feel this way too...but just for this game.

Bo has been in the wars in the SEC, on the road, even at LSU.

Putting Finley in there is a ton of pressure on a young QB who left the school that eventually benched him.

Starting Finley on the road, at LSU, is a tough way to get your first start at Auburn.

I would be ok to start Bo, see if he can produce scores, and if not, then bring in Finley in relief, less pressure.

If Bo struggles for sure as he does on the road, THEN we have to go with Finley against GA at home, regardless how Finley plays at LSU.
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22454 posts
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:51 am to
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It's not just smoke but he's a big part of the problem on the back end. We have had 3 or 4 plays were a defender isn't in the frame of a WR catching a ball.

I think we kind of miss the boat by focusing too much on the qb. Our defense is just letting guys get wide open.

Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11438 posts
Posted on 9/29/21 at 10:06 am to
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I think we kind of miss the boat by focusing too much on the qb. Our defense is just letting guys get wide open.

It's the scheme. Noticed how all that changed when we started playing man in the 2nd half? Even got a pick 6. I don't know why, but Mason's stubborness with running zone exclusively, probably had a lot more to do with how close that game was, than the QB play. People are giving McClain coming in a lot of credit for the defensive turn around.
Think about it for a second, we needed a guy playing a defesensive position, to shut down GA ST? Not discounting McClain and his play at all, but he shouldn't have been the reason why that game was anywhere near being close.

Glad to see we made adjustments to both, offense and defense before we were routed.
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 10:10 am
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22454 posts
Posted on 9/29/21 at 10:09 am to
I agree, but the time it took to make the adjustments is killing me inside.

And I just think we will be hitting a run of good quarterbacks that will have put games well out of rich if we keep banging our head on the same wall in the first half of each game.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11438 posts
Posted on 9/29/21 at 10:10 am to
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I agree, but the time it took to make the adjustments is killing me inside.

And I just think we will be hitting a run of good quarterbacks that will have put games well out of rich if we keep banging our head on the same wall in the first half of each game.

If you really want your head to hurt, imagine if we played more man and blitzed more against Penn State.
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