re: the OFFICIAL HarsinGate thread (Harsin Refusing reduced buyout)

I'd rather land on the side of trying to win vs long periods of bland sports. Reality is we have been bad at football since 2013 and Harsin wasn't showing any signs of improving it. Auburn is only one of a few football jobs in the country that will pay generational money to a human. We will be fine.

Ya'll seem to forget he didnt even have a full recruiting cycle before he hauled in that class in December. Which everyone was praising him for.

Ya'll are upset because he didnt sign anyone on Late Signing day, when we were really only in the hunt for 4 guys. ALl 4 of which weren't helped by the resignation of an OC days before signing day.

Did he jack up by not going to the georgia coaches trophy ceremony to rub elbows? yes. Did he jack up by not going to the Bo charity event? Yes.

But this is the first year of the portal being like it is, and even Alabama has what, 18 guys in the portal right now? They just came off a national title game and they still have this many transfers. What did you think would happen when changing from a "Players Coach" in Gus Malzahn, to a Blue Collar coach like Harsin? Of course guys are going to leave.

Even all the guys that have made statements regarding Harsin have said hes a great coach, and then they walked back their comments about his social acumen.

Ya'll are so happy to see him gone because we lost our best QB halfway in the season, leaving us to a QB in Finley who has always played games after a shitshow happens. We were in every single game the entire year, other than GEorgia. Thats a big change from the Gus years, where we would lose games we absolutely should have won, and get blown out for no reason in some games.

Again, I reiterate. You will reap what you sow.

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Again, I reiterate. You will reap what you sow.

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I agree and we are right now. Lanier and I tried to tell you be careful what you wish for.

Auburn has won the SEC in the last 10 years. Played for it again. Has won more against bama then anyone. Frick some damn bowl games. If it's playoff sure other then that the players don't even care so why should fans.

Are you talking about HS QBs that become starters? Because there have been plenty of non starters that have graduated. and don't get it twisted who would you have preferred Cam, Nick, and Stidham or someone already on the roster that went on to graduate.

2016 WRs signed NCM, Kyle Davis, Eli Stove the number 6, 10, and 20 WRs in the country.

When Harsin is gone that will be 2 coaches gone in two years. Why is that? There are a lot of reasons there is one glaring reason. I just don't know how anyone can support a coach that doesn't go out and make it a #1 priority to get OL and then DL. Just don't get it. We all know how football works, right? That is our last two coaches. We have to get someone who will come in here and do whatever it takes to stack our lines and get them coached up. These last two guys couldn't and/or wouldn't do that.

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Ya'll seem to forget he didnt even have a full recruiting cycle before he hauled in that class in December. Which everyone was praising him for.

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Why didn’t he have a full recruiting cycle? He was already here to close out the previous recruiting cycle.

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Which everyone was praising him for.

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Que?? Everyone was relieved to be 18th thanks to Etheridge and Trovon. All of our needs were still not met.

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But this is the first year of the portal being like it is, and even Alabama has what, 18 guys in the portal right now?

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Alabama is in the position to process players and to replace. Look at the transfers they brought in. Apples and oranges.

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Even all the guys that have made statements regarding Harsin have said hes a great coach

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Which is par for the course.

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Thats a big change from the Gus years, where we would lose games we absolutely should have won, and get blown out for no reason in some games.

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I’m no Gus fan but Gus would’ve won more than 6 games. He won 6 games in an all SEC schedule with a lot more covid adversity around the program. Being a better coach than Gus is also a low bar to hurdle.

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Again, I reiterate. You will reap what you sow.

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Good. Let’s ride.

Alabama is losing guys that never saw, or never would have seen the field and replacing them with elite performers from other teams. The Drew Sanders kid is the only true loss I see from their group, and he got lapped over by others.

We have moved well past simply losing knuckleheads and guys buried on the depth chart. We are losing guys like Ja'Varius Johnson who was basically a starter when healthy and would have been a starter next year, and JJ Pegues who has massive upside and even worked himself fully into the playing rotation under Harsin himself.

And we are struggling to replace those guys. We basically got 3 guys from the state of Alabama who's coach left them at Oregon (ie: they fell into our lap), Calzada, and backup LB from North Carolina. Every other top transfer portal target that they wanted, went elsewhere.

The recruiting from HS to Portal is clearly lagging far behind. A coach's recruiting ability is basically clear from day one on the job.

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He didnt have a full recruiting cycle because of the dead period that he walked into when he took the job.

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If the guy was bringing in any elite recruits you’d have a fair point but the guy just whiffed on our junior day. Show me some evidence that he is capable and willing to recruit.

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Of which he gave the decision to allow Trovon to recruit, and he hired Zac. Lets give him credit for those decisions.

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I am not giving him credit for recruiting. Our highest ranked player was a top 141 recruit and some jucos that will be gone in a coupla years. Many needs are unmet and our recruiting class is probably inflated due to signing a kid that will probably stick to basketball.

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Alabama is in that position because they have stability at this point.

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And we are not! Stop running off the Kobe Hudson’s if you can’t add depth. That’s instability that Harsin is creating himself.

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I think your issue Jang, is you were so disgruntled with the Harsin hire

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I was okay with the hire after I Wikipedia’d him. I did say the first year would be a fact finding season, and oh boy did the facts reveal themselves in black and white.

I would think the longer this lasts the better it is for harsin.

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I need a closure to this so I can actually work again

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I think we get word on Harsin's future by the end of the week. As far as closure this is probably going to some type of litigation.

I seriously doubt Harsin is our coach going forward. He would be such a lame duck coach.