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The JBoy Show with Mike Farrell talks Gus' OL Recruiting

Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:06 am
Posted by Fear The Thumb
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:06 am
Starts at the 15:20 mark
OL signed 2016-1, 2017-3, 2018-2, 2019-3
"irresponsible"
"bad roster management"
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Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:13 am to
At some point, you have to blame Greene for not giving Gus hard feedback on his performance. Chizik said this week Gus was surprised he was fired. Greene should have been riding him hard after 2018.
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:15 am to
quote:

Gus was surprised he was fired
And here we see half of his problem.
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:21 am to
Yeah. It doesn't seem like Gus had anyone talking to him about external issues. He just focused on gameplan, and wasn't doing a good job at it. Greene is a young guy, and that can be an issue when dealing with Boomers.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:34 am to
Come on, the guy was on the hot seat a lot. If he was really surprised then he was out of touch more than I thought.

Coach makes over 7 mil and he requires an AD to ride him? Lol
Posted by AUcs13
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:38 am to
All Gus had to do was turn on ESPN to know he was on the hotseat, guy didn't have a clue about a lot of things.
Posted by Cocotheape
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:39 am to
I was surprised he was fired, given his buyout, COVID year, all that. I’m sure Gus thought he was probably safe too, this wasn’t like a Chizik in 2012 level disaster season
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:42 am to
I am just repeating what Chiz said.
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:50 am to
And Chiz knows as well as anyone that Gus lived a glass bubble of his own making. Padding it out with (what appeared to be) the like minded or sycophants. And not willing to modernize or alter his MO enough to fit the new challenges that had often been devolped to counter his previous successes...
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 9:54 am
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:52 am to
Also, these guys haven't been reading our board. Can't believe our recruiting guys are just now understanding the OL issues. We have been complaining about this since 2015.
Posted by awestruck
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10924 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 10:07 am to
Meaning...

... the Aufambly and paying for only what you want to see baws. Who also took to heart the Stat-Type fellows... flaws and all.

(Which iuch a costly-shame because honest discussion and reading less of his CTRL-V clippings might have saved him.)
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 10:08 am to
What happened to him?
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 10:12 am to
who dat?

eta: was still running Gus through the flames
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 10:13 am
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 10:16 am to
Stat
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 10:33 am to
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Yeah. It doesn't seem like Gus had anyone talking to him about external issues. He just focused on gameplan, and wasn't doing a good job at it. Greene is a young guy, and that can be an issue when dealing with Boomers.


I don't buy this.

Gus knew he was on the hot seat, but when a coach who has the contract he had, and doesn't want to leave a place he loves and has made a lot of money on, is going to act like he's done a good enough job...aka..."We had a solid year".

HE thought his buyout was his safety net...

Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42557 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 10:36 am to
E and a couple of others have stated OL recruiting went through Gus. I don't have all of the information, but something wasn't working and it went on for years. To me, it seems like he wasn't getting hard feedback. Just a feeling.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 11:50 am to
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E and a couple of others have stated OL recruiting went through Gus.


I have thoughts on this

We didn’t like recruiting going through Gus because we were over Gus. We had seen the results on the field of his offense and his influence and it wasn’t usually great. BUT, it’s ultimately the head coach’s responsibility to sign off on recruits. It’s even more appropriate since, for most of the time, it was his offense we were running.

With that said, there’s something else worth pointing out here. OL recruiting under Herb Hand and Grimes were vastly different in terms of talent. That, in my opinion, casts doubt on the notion that Gus was intervening to his detriment.

I do know that after Hand and toward the later years of Grimes there was a push to recruit SEC size and athleticism over experience at OT. I tend to think this was because the position wasn’t attractive to recruits. This became a vicious cycle. The strategy was that the position under Malzahn’s offense was easy to understand. There were two assignments to learn and the rest was technique. And if you look back on the OTs we have on roster they’re either new to football, the offensive line, or America in general

Bottom line is that OL was his responsibility and ultimately his failure. I don’t necessarily buy that it was all Gus’s recruiting but there was an obvious strategy involved toward the end that absolutely backfired. Also worth mentioning that all of the positions on offense weren’t developing well. And in my opinion, Gus had way more influence over those guys. Some of those recruits talked directly to Gus instead of the area recruiter or position coach. The only time that changed was with Morris.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 12:36 pm to
If you really look back, Gus never recruited OL. We lucked into a JUCO that supported the 17 team, but our last talented line was Chizik guys. I remember OL recruiting struggling under Hand.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28280 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 12:58 pm to
I think the OL recruiting woes had more to do with Grimes. He was just so out of touch with kids today. That part is on Gus. He hired from such a small coaching tree.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
33296 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:13 pm to
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I remember OL recruiting struggling under Hand.



He was only here 2 years but he brought in guys.

5* Calvin Ashley
4* Nick Brahms
4* Austin Troxell
4* Prince Sammons
(Also credited for Irvin and Hamm, whatever that’s worth).

Talent was good but development wasn’t. JB Grimes had wins during his first stint too. Braden Smith, Kaleb Kim, Harrell, Carr

Grimes’s second stint was awful for us. Stutts, Jones, Osborne, Bell, Zierer, Coffey, Johnson, Wright, Jernigan

Most of those look like non contributors This the era when we also started using DL as OL

quote:

but our last talented line was Chizik guys.


Also, for whatever it’s worth, most of those guys were recruited when Gus was OC
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 1:48 pm
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