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Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:13 pm to lowspark12
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:13 pm to lowspark12
I didn’t get to watch a lot of the game yesterday but listened. Today I got to watch. We played as expected in both games. The Zags are very good and we are very raw. Rotations on substitutions aren’t figured out yet. But I’m very impressed with effort and pure raw talent.
Turbo and Cambridge take way to many jump shots both have the quickness to get by their man and either finish or dish or kick out. Powell and Thor are very very good but the game is a little to quick for them right now even tho they are playing pretty good. Flannigan is like a totally different player. So impressed. Once we figure out who can and can’t score and are able to get 3 scorers on the court at the same time it’ll look messy at times. By January we should look a lot different. Got a few games we can win coming up but need to really improve over the next 4 weeks. This holiday tournament is what it’s all about.
Turbo and Cambridge take way to many jump shots both have the quickness to get by their man and either finish or dish or kick out. Powell and Thor are very very good but the game is a little to quick for them right now even tho they are playing pretty good. Flannigan is like a totally different player. So impressed. Once we figure out who can and can’t score and are able to get 3 scorers on the court at the same time it’ll look messy at times. By January we should look a lot different. Got a few games we can win coming up but need to really improve over the next 4 weeks. This holiday tournament is what it’s all about.
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Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:13 pm to RandySavage
I think with Cooper this team would have some potential. We will get a lot better over the course of the year
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:17 pm to auburnnyc94
I have to see Coopers defense in the SEC before I give him that much credit yet.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:24 pm to CorchJay
I agree with Randy. We don’t have stupid basketball players but we do have young basketball players and their playing IQ isn’t there. Bryce Brown had every growing pain associated with basketball when he was here as well. Just gonna have to watch as our team gels. It won’t be this year and Pearl probably knew that.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:31 pm to jangalang
Expectations should be to hope for above .500 in the SEC and by the end of the season to playing as well as the top 4 in the conference. If that happens we get what we want out of the season. Hopefully there isn’t to many canceled games. And hopefully get Cooper back quickly to gain experience with the fellas.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:34 pm to jangalang
Right now .... this group looks exactly like the LSU DB's. Talented, but playing backyard ball. Pearl and Gang will look at the film and bring these guys around. In this case ...it's apparent they will be a more polished team by season's end.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:35 pm to TigerProwl24
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You obviously don’t pay much attention. Johnson is the best shooter on the team, maybe besides Powell. We absolutely need his outside shooting. Turbo will be the one who isn’t going to see the floor as much if Coop plays. Also, keep in mind that this is the first few games of the year and these players haven’t had scrimmages against other teams and playing the number one team in the country.
Exactly.
Pearl has to play Turbo, bc if Cooper is declared ineligible, we have to at least have Turbo as the backup PG. So in these early pre-SEC games, Turbo is going play more than we like at PG. And he shows no offensive PG skills, but he is a good defender and can shoot better if he is at the 2.
Johnson had much better moments of hitting 3s against Zaga, he is just not the best defender.
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:38 pm to auburnnyc94
I shouldn't have went back and read any comments. You can tell a few of us are pretty new to shooty hoops. Just a few things that may help. Powell is our best option at of but he hasn't played a full season of basketball since his soph year of high school. You can't run him out there 30+ minutes a game. Turbo is adequate as a primary ball handler but he isn't good at getting others involved offensively. He needs to be on the court with guys that can help him out with that. Johnson is still a liability defensively and if he isn't hitting his shot he needs his playing time severely limited. He's not our best or even second best shooter. If Cooper does make it back he will struggle staying in the rotation. Jones will slide over to the 2 where he is much more comfortable and eat up the majority of his minutes. We lost this game on the defensive end where you expect young players to struggle. This was a good learning experience and I expect most will improve from being exposed to this level of competition. Still disappointed in Cambridge. He looks like the same player we saw last year. He needed to improve his form and ball handling to take the next step as a player but 2 games in I'm not seeing anything. He's still young and does provide a little scoring punch so I'm not giving up on him. Just expected more from someone with his upside.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:42 pm to jangalang
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Anybody see this? Tipton sometimes has recruit scoop.
Didn’t really give this much credit since Tipton’s connection is with recruits, not compliance departments. That is, until I read...
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Ramone is in comments of the tweet saying this is false.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:47 pm to marshallcotiger
Yes, Pearl said the worst part of the 2 days is that our defense is not good enough to help us win games. Giving up over 90 in both games proves that.
We are going to be inconsistent on offense, but in the past with Pearl, we have learned we win more games playing good tough defense.
Zaga is good. They saw how Williams played against St Joe, and they came in and stopped him, making Auburn rely on more of their freshmen to make up the difference.
Cambridge is so far my biggest disappointment. We needed him to be more consistent on offense. On D, he got outfoxed on so many headfakes, and he would overguard.
We need some inside offense, as Zaga exposed our weakness there if WIlliams struggles.
We are going to be inconsistent on offense, but in the past with Pearl, we have learned we win more games playing good tough defense.
Zaga is good. They saw how Williams played against St Joe, and they came in and stopped him, making Auburn rely on more of their freshmen to make up the difference.
Cambridge is so far my biggest disappointment. We needed him to be more consistent on offense. On D, he got outfoxed on so many headfakes, and he would overguard.
We need some inside offense, as Zaga exposed our weakness there if WIlliams struggles.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:58 pm to AuSteeler
Williams will have to grow his game a little. He's been able to get by on driving hard with his left hand and getting to the rim because there wasn't much info out on him. Teams are going to adjust just like Gonzaga did today. He has more tools so I fully expect him to adjust but it's a growing process. Everyone on this team is being asked to do things they've never done at this level. Games like today are going to happen. I'm a firm believer in the mantra that iron sharpens iron. These games are going to pay off in the future.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 1:02 pm to marshallcotiger
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I'm a firm believer in the mantra that iron sharpens iron. These games are going to pay off in the future.
Yep. Games like today suck in the moment but can be a huge learning moment. Bruce gets to tell the guys “it doesn’t get any tougher than that” and give them clear, obvious things to work on.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 2:51 pm to marshallcotiger
St Joseph’s was giving Kansas all they wanted until about 10:00 in the second half. Kansas has since blown the doors off them.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 3:00 pm to marshallcotiger
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Johnson is still a liability defensively and if he isn't hitting his shot he needs his playing time severely limited. He's not our best or even second best shooter.
I disagree and these statements directly contradict each other. What role would Johnson have if he wasn’t one of our best shooters? He wouldn’t have one. That is his role because that is his best attribute. Powell is a sharpshooter but if Johnson isn’t at least our second best shooter, who do you think is? And Turbo is as much of a defensive liability at the 2, if not more, than Johnson is.
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If Cooper does make it back he will struggle staying in the rotation. Jones will slide over to the 2 where he is much more comfortable and eat up the majority of his minutes.
Again, I disagree. Isn’t the best indication of what the rotation would be like if Cooper were unable to return, is the rotation while he is gone? IF Turbo slid over to the 2, who would give Powell a break at the point? Flanigan? No. Not only will Turbo continue to lose minutes at the point while Powell is growing more and more comfortable, especially in crunch time, he’ll continue to see very few minutes at the 2 with Flanigan and Johnson there. How many minutes, seconds, did Turbo log at 2 in the first couple of games? How many did Johnson? Why didn’t Turbo slide to the 2 and take minutes away from Johnson at all last season, when JMAC and Doughty ran point, if that is the case? I agree with a lot of what you say but you’re wrong in this case.
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Jones will slide over to the 2 where he is much more comfortable
This is such nonsense. If Turbo is so comfortable and advantageous at the 2 for us, wanna take a stab at how many minutes he has logged at the 2 since he has been on campus? It’s an easy answer. It reminds me of how the backup QB is always the most popular on the team until they’re given the chance, then people realize why he was the backup.
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 11/27/20 at 3:31 pm to TigerProwl24
The most experienced player and ,with Jones learning on the fly at pg, the only SG on our team is getting under 20 minutes a game. What else needs to be said. He's shooting 20% from 3 and under that overall. He's a below average defender. I don't see any room for argument. Jones isn't setting the world on fire but these are his first two games of any significance so his room for growth is>>>> Johnson. Johnson will continue to play because he has to but if Cooper comes back that changes. He'll play under 10 minutes a game, Powell will play both guard spots and Jones will play the 2 when Powell or Cooper go to the bench. Johnson is what he is at this point. If his shot isn't falling he's a liability.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 3:42 pm to auburnnyc94
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I see we are at that part of the basketball season where the idiots come out who don’t follow the program. It’s always fun to watch idiots expose themselves
Many are the same posters with lazy Football takes too
Posted on 11/27/20 at 3:53 pm to marshallcotiger
Marshallco. It’s still not clear to me why Shariffe hasn’t been practicing. Practicing while ineligible isn’t a crime.... because he is still enrolled. So you would think he would still be practicing scout team just in case his eligibility is reinstated down the road. I’ve mentioned this before and this keeps getting side stepped.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 4:10 pm to TigerProwl24
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If Turbo is so comfortable and advantageous at the 2 for us, wanna take a stab at how many minutes he has logged at the 2 since he has been on campus?
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How many minutes, seconds, did Turbo log at 2 in the first couple of games? How many did Johnson? Why didn’t Turbo slide to the 2 and take minutes away from Johnson at all last season, when JMAC and Doughty ran point, if that is the case?
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IF Turbo slid over to the 2, who would give Powell a break at the point? Flanigan?
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Isn’t the best indication of what the rotation would be like if Cooper were unable to return, is the rotation while he is gone?
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if Johnson isn’t at least our second best shooter, who do you think is?
I’m not trying to have an argument but a thoughtful discussion. You’re a very knowledgeable poster and I respect your opinion. I just disagree. And you didn’t answer any of these questions..
Posted on 11/27/20 at 4:27 pm to marshallcotiger
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with Jones learning on the fly at pg
He has been part of the program for well over a year and practiced at the 1 and 2. That is not on the fly.
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the only SG on our team is getting under 20 minutes a game. What else needs to be said. He's shooting 20% from 3 and under that overall.. I don't see any room for argument. Jones isn't setting the world on fire but these are his first two games of any significance so his room for growth is>>>> Johnson. Johnson will continue to play because he has to but if Cooper comes back that changes. He'll play under 10 minutes a game, Powell will play both guard spots and Jones will play the 2 when Powell or Cooper go to the bench. Johnson is what he is at this point. If his shot isn't falling he's a liability.
Do you think Johnson is a 20% 3 pt shooter? What do you think his percentage was during the duration of a season a year ago? Which do you think is more indicative of his ability? An entire season or the first 2 games of a season?
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He's a below average defender.
So is Turbo at the 2..
Well, I guess we’ll see as the season goes.. but not long ago you said Flanigan wouldn’t start at the 2, when I said he would and I was proven to be correct. I’m stating that Johnson will get more playing time at the 2 than Turbo will, regardless of whether Coop comes back or not.
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