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re: T/F: Gus should be fired for going 1/4 against LSU, UGA, UF, UA
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:25 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:25 pm to Tiguar
quote:I'm not the idiot who signed off on a ridiculous contract two years ago. That alone makes him 'special', at least when it comes to replacing him.
The "Auburn is a 8-4 team with occasional championship year" is a double-edged sword for Gus apologists because it implies just about anyone can accomplish that here and Gus isn't special.
Look at TAMU. They decided "not to settle for mediocrity" and paid a huge buyout to Sumlin, then went out an hired a "proven championship HC" in Fisher, but they had to offer a Sabanesque 100% guaranteed deal to get him (despite the assumption that he and FSU were bound to part ways regardless). Where are they now? Does anyone think they will seriously compete for the SEC Championship in the next 3 years?
Sure, we believe we have a better track record as a program than the Aggs, but how much better? What are our options if we decide to cut Gustav loose and pay him the $26.7 million at the end of this season?
More importantly, what do you think our PTB would do in that situation?
ETA: Personally, I think the most prudent plan going forward is to encourage Grimes to retire (he's 65 already) and spend a couple of million to hire the best OL coach in the country we can find, since that appears to be the biggest thing holding our offense back.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 4:35 pm
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Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:35 pm to FearlessFreep
We lost a road game in conference.
It happens.
We executed poorly. It happens.
I’m not ready to give up the season.
We’ve got some issues. Belichek and Brady would not be who they are without a great offensive line.
It happens.
We executed poorly. It happens.
I’m not ready to give up the season.
We’ve got some issues. Belichek and Brady would not be who they are without a great offensive line.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:37 pm to FearlessFreep
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I'm not the idiot who signed off on a ridiculous contract two years ago. That alone makes him 'special', at least when it comes to replacing him.
Also a fair point. 0/4 probably wont get him fired (unless we just really embarrass ourselves) because of that buyout, but it does probably put him in a spot where he has to go 2/3 (3/3?) next year or get fired.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:18 pm to Tiguar
If we go 8-4 again, in a make or break season; and we lose to all of our main rivals, again; with our two main rivals being at home, and we still can’t admit to ourselves it might be time for a change, this program is in trouble
That being said, I’m still hopeful for 2-2 in these games and channeling some 2017 Amen corner magic
That being said, I’m still hopeful for 2-2 in these games and channeling some 2017 Amen corner magic
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:22 pm to FearlessFreep
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I'm not the idiot who signed off on a ridiculous contract two years ago. That alone makes him 'special', at least when it comes to replacing him. Look at TAMU. They decided "not to settle for mediocrity" and paid a huge buyout to Sumlin, then went out an hired a "proven championship HC" in Fisher, but they had to offer a Sabanesque 100% guaranteed deal to get him (despite the assumption that he and FSU were bound to part ways regardless). Where are they now? Does anyone think they will seriously compete for the SEC Championship in the next 3 years? Sure, we believe we have a better track record as a program than the Aggs, but how much better? What are our options if we decide to cut Gustav loose and pay him the $26.7 million at the end of this season? More importantly, what do you think our PTB would do in that situation?
ETA: Personally, I think the most prudent plan going forward is to encourage Grimes to retire (he's 65 already) and spend a couple of million to hire the best OL coach in the country we can find, since that appears to be the biggest thing holding our offense back.
Good post. Throwing money at it can only guarantee so much.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:18 pm to Ross
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If we go 8-4 again, in a make or break season; and we lose to all of our main rivals, again; with our two main rivals being at home, and we still can’t admit to ourselves it might be time for a change, this program is in trouble
It really depends on how our losses look. We aren't getting rid of Gus this year unless we just get blown out by LSU, UGA, and Bama... Even then I think it's a stretch
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:26 pm to Tiguar
Is Rhett Lashlee available?
Or do we go with Muschamp?
Or Kiffin?
This is all ridiculous.
We lost a road game to Florida.
Not a home game to a G5 or FCS bottom feeder.
Or do we go with Muschamp?
Or Kiffin?
This is all ridiculous.
We lost a road game to Florida.
Not a home game to a G5 or FCS bottom feeder.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:33 am to makersmark1
So when UGA, LSU, and Alabama dont lose road games to us, it's okay because we're Auburn and 8-4 is our mean.
Alright.
Alright.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 5:50 am to Tiguar
Who are you getting?
Bill Clark
PJ Fleck?
Rhett Lashlee?
Mike Bobo?
Urban Meyer?
Stoops?
Derek Mason?
The Pirate?
Who will go 15-0 every year?.
I’m not a big Gus fan, but I don’t see the next Saban out there right now.
I’ll support whoever you get.
Bill Clark
PJ Fleck?
Rhett Lashlee?
Mike Bobo?
Urban Meyer?
Stoops?
Derek Mason?
The Pirate?
Who will go 15-0 every year?.
I’m not a big Gus fan, but I don’t see the next Saban out there right now.
I’ll support whoever you get.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 5:51 am
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:11 am to makersmark1
I honestly haven't given much thought to it, primarily because I know in my soul gus will be here through 2020 at the least and the cfb landscape will be different.
Of your list, Clark is the only one remotely interesting but he would be a risk.
Of your list, Clark is the only one remotely interesting but he would be a risk.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:23 am to Tiguar
It is possible Gus loses to Arkie or Ole Miss. 7-5 and he is done. 8-4 we get one more year of hot seat Gus. The UT game last year still hurts. The open date should help.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:24 am to allin2010
The ut loss last year was it for me.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:00 am to allin2010
quote:It's also "possible" he loses to Samford.
It is possible Gus loses to Arkie or Ole Miss.
But he won't lose to any of those teams. 8-4 is our absolute floor this year. It's also pretty much what this board predicted given the schedule and our inexperience at the QB position.
Is it a disappointing enough outcome to make a change that will set us back some $35 million or so upfront? Not my decision to make.
I'm still of the opinion that we improve through the rest of the season and pick up a win in one of our rivalry games, and win our bowl to finish 10-3. But that's probably wishful thinking, and we'll still face a major rebuild next year, although the schedule is significantly easier.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:24 am to Tiguar
Yeah, I kinda agree with that. I mean, once upon a time, there was a long stretch where Clemson fans probably started rationalizing similarly, and look where they are now. Conversely, Tennessee fans would probably kill to go 8-4 again. "It is what it is" suggests if even Saban was here, we'd be posting 8-4 records on the regular, which is nonsense...
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:27 am to Tiguar
Gus won't be fired for 0/4 unless the UGA and Alabama games are huge blowouts (and possibly not even then).
No chance he's fired for 1/4.
No chance he's fired for 1/4.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:49 am to Tiguar
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T/F: Gus should be fired for going 1/4 against LSU, UGA, UF, UA by Tiguar
I would hold, if we took one and went 9-3. I would fire him at 0-4 and 8-4.
Gus needed a 10 win season this year with what looks to be a rebuilding year next year (6 or 7 wins).
I think they will keep him after going 8-4 and he will be fired next year after a six win type season.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:55 am to Tiguar
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The "who would you hire?" crowd needs to realize Gus has really not done anything special beyond Auburn's mean performance.
2013 and 2017.
Fact of the matter is we can sit on the contract, not pay extra money, and reap 8-4, and 9-3.
Or
We fire Gus, pay buyouts to him and staff, and hire the new staff with no guarantee that we can eclipse 8-9 win standard. Essentially we can “not accept mediocrity,” but very possibly end up paying more for the same results.
Best case scenario if it involves Gus leaving: we can negotiate a mutual split after a disappointing backend this season, and minimize the buyout. Gus knows we don’t have shite coming back on both lines next year, and Auburn doesn’t care to be tormented any longer by Gus’s quest to prove he can win with a pocket passer. Win/win for everybody though a snag in recruiting.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:57 am to jangalang
If we fire Gus for going 8-4 or 9-3 with this schedule it's absurd. I understand wanting more but honestly you're more likely to end up in a 20 year rut like a Nebraska or UT than you are to strike gold.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:07 am to auburnnyc94
There is zero chance we fire Gus at 9-3. That means he beat one of our rivals and probably means we finish in the top 20 with a chance at a 10-3 season capped by a win against what will probably be a pretty significant opponent.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:09 am to jvilletiger25
But GA had a guy (Smart) they thought would be a great HC as well as his connection to GA.
Do we have a coach any of us think would be able to win more than Gus, run an offense we think competes for championships..and is not over 60 years old? :)
Do we have a coach any of us think would be able to win more than Gus, run an offense we think competes for championships..and is not over 60 years old? :)
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