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Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:21 am
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:21 am
Fleeced from Rivals, folks giving him props, etc... Not a lot of new information, but IMHO, tells the entire story. (The poster does seem to have e-cred)
Some information given to me by someone I know with about 30 years dealing with AU Coaches, Players, and BOT Members who gave me permission to share the information, as long as I do not identify them specifically:
Chizik - Less than 10% chance he comes back now, and likely much less than that really. For him to survive, AU would likely have to win out, go to a bowl, or at lest win an SEC game, or score a big upset against uga or uat. The announcement will likely not be made public until the end of the season (85-90% likelihood), but there is a 10-15% chance it could come before then if things get really bad. Just a few weeks ago, CGC had a better than 50-50 chance of surviving by agreeing to modify his staff and coming up with a plan to get the program where it needs to be.
Jay Jacobs - Probably less than 10% chance of making it to 2013 now. He tied his cart to the CGC hire (and subsequent contract extension/buyout agreement) and likely dies with it now. Some personal isssues also exist between Gougue and Jacobs.
Pat Dye - Does not really run things, but still involved in decisions made, and heavily invested in the current staff and personnel at AU, including Jackson, Jacobs, and Bolt.
Lowder - Although he is no longer on the BOT, he is still involved in the background as a booster and still has an influence over AU athletics.
Petrino - Many think Lowder led the original pursuit of Petrino to replace Tubberville, but it was actually another powerful booster (McWhorter) who led the charge (at least publically) and flew to Louisville (on Lowder's Plane) along with Housel and then President Walker. Although both of them are no longer on the BOT, their influence as boosters is still felt, especially when it comes to AU football. Of the current BOT members, 3 of the most powerful 5 members are are part of the old Lowder click who pursued Petrino in 2003. At least two other BOT members are also part of that click.
VanGorder - Depending on who the HC is next year, he may be kept as DC and allowed to hire his own staff, likely replacing 2 of the current defensive assistants. Even though the VanGorder-Wayne Bolt incident was publically denied by Chizik, it did happen.
Coaching Search - Unless Jacobs or Chizik somehow survives, look for AU to appoint a designated committee to conduct the search for a new coach and/or AD given the timeline and situation. Early candidates include Petrino, Jimbo Fisher, Strong, and possibly several others.
Power Struggle - Some of the power struggle within the AU Football Program goes back to the Shug era vs Dye era guys, as well as new BOT members vs old BOT members (several new ones as of Apr 2012), and Athletics vs Education-oriented BOT members.
Gogue - His letter today was indicative in both what it included and did not include, and the fact that HE wrote it to begin with. Typically, this letter would come from the AD's office. It did not mention the HC or AD or any support for them, while encouraging support for the players and empathizing with the fans and students and calling for patience while indicating a plan is in place.
Most of this is really not new, but is consistent with some of the information already shared. Although I agree with a lot of this information, I have tried to only include what I was told without editing or adding anything to it. I will add my own thoughts at a later time, and you are welcome to as well. We have spoken 3x so far regarding these situations. Although I have a direct connection to the AU Football Program, I do not consider myself an insider.
Some information given to me by someone I know with about 30 years dealing with AU Coaches, Players, and BOT Members who gave me permission to share the information, as long as I do not identify them specifically:
Chizik - Less than 10% chance he comes back now, and likely much less than that really. For him to survive, AU would likely have to win out, go to a bowl, or at lest win an SEC game, or score a big upset against uga or uat. The announcement will likely not be made public until the end of the season (85-90% likelihood), but there is a 10-15% chance it could come before then if things get really bad. Just a few weeks ago, CGC had a better than 50-50 chance of surviving by agreeing to modify his staff and coming up with a plan to get the program where it needs to be.
Jay Jacobs - Probably less than 10% chance of making it to 2013 now. He tied his cart to the CGC hire (and subsequent contract extension/buyout agreement) and likely dies with it now. Some personal isssues also exist between Gougue and Jacobs.
Pat Dye - Does not really run things, but still involved in decisions made, and heavily invested in the current staff and personnel at AU, including Jackson, Jacobs, and Bolt.
Lowder - Although he is no longer on the BOT, he is still involved in the background as a booster and still has an influence over AU athletics.
Petrino - Many think Lowder led the original pursuit of Petrino to replace Tubberville, but it was actually another powerful booster (McWhorter) who led the charge (at least publically) and flew to Louisville (on Lowder's Plane) along with Housel and then President Walker. Although both of them are no longer on the BOT, their influence as boosters is still felt, especially when it comes to AU football. Of the current BOT members, 3 of the most powerful 5 members are are part of the old Lowder click who pursued Petrino in 2003. At least two other BOT members are also part of that click.
VanGorder - Depending on who the HC is next year, he may be kept as DC and allowed to hire his own staff, likely replacing 2 of the current defensive assistants. Even though the VanGorder-Wayne Bolt incident was publically denied by Chizik, it did happen.
Coaching Search - Unless Jacobs or Chizik somehow survives, look for AU to appoint a designated committee to conduct the search for a new coach and/or AD given the timeline and situation. Early candidates include Petrino, Jimbo Fisher, Strong, and possibly several others.
Power Struggle - Some of the power struggle within the AU Football Program goes back to the Shug era vs Dye era guys, as well as new BOT members vs old BOT members (several new ones as of Apr 2012), and Athletics vs Education-oriented BOT members.
Gogue - His letter today was indicative in both what it included and did not include, and the fact that HE wrote it to begin with. Typically, this letter would come from the AD's office. It did not mention the HC or AD or any support for them, while encouraging support for the players and empathizing with the fans and students and calling for patience while indicating a plan is in place.
Most of this is really not new, but is consistent with some of the information already shared. Although I agree with a lot of this information, I have tried to only include what I was told without editing or adding anything to it. I will add my own thoughts at a later time, and you are welcome to as well. We have spoken 3x so far regarding these situations. Although I have a direct connection to the AU Football Program, I do not consider myself an insider.
This post was edited on 10/26/12 at 8:21 am
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:27 am to allin2010
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For him to survive, AU would likely have to win out, go to a bowl, or at lest win an SEC game, or score a big upset against uga or uat.
sure seems like a lot of outs. So he can
1. beat a&m
2. beat everyone
3. beat uga
4. beat bama
So basically if he only beats New Mexico St. and Ala. A&M he's gone.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:30 am to allin2010
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Gogue - His letter today was indicative in both what it included and did not include, and the fact that HE wrote it to begin with.
This is really what stood out to me more than anything. I read that to mean that JJ is in hot water... as he should be.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:38 am to allin2010
Sounds like we have a chance to clean our program up. I'm excited.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:39 am to allin2010
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Chizik - Less than 10% chance he comes back now,
and going down by the game at this point. It will be interesting to see if he gets a chance to coach homecoming if we lose to NMSU and I wouldn't count it out either.
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Jay Jacobs - Probably less than 10% chance of making it to 2013 now. He tied his cart to the CGC hire (and subsequent contract extension/buyout agreement) and likely dies with it now.
I think that the extension/buyout agreement has more to do with his fate than anything. In Jacobs defense, 95% of the fanbase praised these coaches when he got it, doesn't make it not ludicrous though.
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VanGorder - Depending on who the HC is next year, he may be kept as DC and allowed to hire his own staff, likely replacing 2 of the current defensive assistants. Even though the VanGorder-Wayne Bolt incident was publically denied by Chizik, it did happen.
I hope that the new head coach can make it work with BVG, seems like a hard man and will do what it takes to get the defense tough again. His kid being in school at Auburn helps our cause for him not running off also.
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Coaching Search - Unless Jacobs or Chizik somehow survives, look for AU to appoint a designated committee to conduct the search for a new coach and/or AD given the timeline and situation. Early candidates include Petrino, Jimbo Fisher, Strong, and possibly several others.
this will be a very interesting search because time is of the essence to try to salvage the upcoming recruiting class but they HAVE to make a good hire this time. There is a lot of talent in place so a good coach should get this team turned around fast, possibly a 10 win team next year type turnaround.
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Gogue - His letter today was indicative in both what it included and did not include, and the fact that HE wrote it to begin with. Typically, this letter would come from the AD's office. It did not mention the HC or AD or any support for them, while encouraging support for the players and empathizing with the fans and students and calling for patience while indicating a plan is in place.
I think Gogue knows what is upcoming. When the masses cry for a head, he will have to give them one and I think it will be Jacobs/Chizik at the end. You can say what you want about not giving in to the crowd, but they are the ones who flip the bills and pay his salary, he has to give them some thought.
All in all, I think worst case scenario is that Chizik returns with BVG and everyone else being new with the exception of Martinez in the secondary.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:41 am to allin2010
No offense allin2010, as this isn't a shot at you since you're just copy/pasting this...but I don't see anything of substance in that post. That post to me looks like someone just read a couple message boards and wrote a recap of everything that has been said by the AU fans over the past couple weeks, claiming to have inside sources. There isn't a single thing in that post that I haven't already read before.
Like I said before, no offense to you.
Like I said before, no offense to you.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:51 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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That post to me looks like someone just read a couple message boards and wrote a recap of everything that has been said by the AU fans over the past couple weeks, claiming to have inside sources. There isn't a single thing in that post that I haven't already read before.
Same thing I thought.
Hope all of this happens, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:53 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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No offense allin2010, as this isn't a shot at you since you're just copy/pasting this...but I don't see anything of substance in that post. That post to me looks like someone just read a couple message boards and wrote a recap of everything that has been said by the AU fans over the past couple weeks, claiming to have inside sources. There isn't a single thing in that post that I haven't already read before.
Like I said before, no offense to you.
This is a little more than a recap of message board chatter. IMO it rings true and is accurate.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:54 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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IMO it rings true and is accurate.
Based on what? How can we be sure that this isn't speculation?
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:54 am to Warfarer
People are just assuming VanGorder will stick around and see what happens... he could easily get another job offer at a much more stable situation -- back in the NFL potentially, or with a more established college staff.
Personally, i'd like to keep VG, Martinez, Boulware, and Grimes... but the odds that happens with a HC change is very slim... and who's to say they'd mesh with a new coach/staff?... that's part of the problem we have now.
Personally, i'd like to keep VG, Martinez, Boulware, and Grimes... but the odds that happens with a HC change is very slim... and who's to say they'd mesh with a new coach/staff?... that's part of the problem we have now.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 8:59 am to allin2010
Thanks allin at least a little new speculation.I believe Chizik does not have what it takes to turn this around.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:03 am to allin2010
Few comments on a few of the specifics...
I think this is dead on. Dye doesn't run anything but is certainly a trusted advisor. However, his wagon is hitched to the current personnel and his visibility within the program and advisory capacity will probably greatly diminish if the current group is gone in DEC. Sorta like when Tubs was here.
This concerns me as does the power struggle discussion. These are issues that need to be resolved and resolved now. We could end up behind the 8 ball and in a VERY VERY dangerous situation in December if we are not taking steps now to assure we get who we want if/when we replace Chiz and Co. As we all know a lot of big time programs will be making moves. We do not want to be in a game of musical chair where we are still standing when the music stops. There were not a lot of quality options out there when we hired Chiz. We get in that situation again, we may end up fricked. This is one of the biggest decisions in a very long time at AU. We are poised to either take a big step forward or get totally buried considering the strength of the SEC and the numbnuts across the state.
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Pat Dye - Does not really run things, but still involved in decisions made, and heavily invested in the current staff and personnel at AU, including Jackson, Jacobs, and Bolt.
I think this is dead on. Dye doesn't run anything but is certainly a trusted advisor. However, his wagon is hitched to the current personnel and his visibility within the program and advisory capacity will probably greatly diminish if the current group is gone in DEC. Sorta like when Tubs was here.
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Coaching Search - Unless Jacobs or Chizik somehow survives, look for AU to appoint a designated committee to conduct the search for a new coach and/or AD given the timeline and situation. Early candidates include Petrino, Jimbo Fisher, Strong, and possibly several others.
This concerns me as does the power struggle discussion. These are issues that need to be resolved and resolved now. We could end up behind the 8 ball and in a VERY VERY dangerous situation in December if we are not taking steps now to assure we get who we want if/when we replace Chiz and Co. As we all know a lot of big time programs will be making moves. We do not want to be in a game of musical chair where we are still standing when the music stops. There were not a lot of quality options out there when we hired Chiz. We get in that situation again, we may end up fricked. This is one of the biggest decisions in a very long time at AU. We are poised to either take a big step forward or get totally buried considering the strength of the SEC and the numbnuts across the state.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:04 am to allin2010
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Pat Dye - Does not really run things, but still involved in decisions made, and heavily invested in the current staff and personnel at AU, including Jackson, Jacobs, and Bolt.
So...... He doesn't "run things", but is involved in decisions made and is heavily invested in current staff? Perhaps we need a new definition of "run things" cause based off that description, it certainly sounds like he's running things to me.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:11 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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No offense allin2010, as this isn't a shot at you since you're just copy/pasting this...but I don't see anything of substance in that post. That post to me looks like someone just read a couple message boards and wrote a recap of everything that has been said by the AU fans over the past couple weeks, claiming to have inside sources. There isn't a single thing in that post that I haven't already read before.
Like I said before, no offense to you.
No Offense, I just thought it was a good summary... Seemed to hit all the points...
Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:21 am to WarSlamEagle
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Based on what? How can we be sure that this isn't speculation?
We can't. Honestly, I might could get some verified, but I have no idea how much and I don't care to go down that road with the family members I would have to talk to. It jives with what my parents and their friends think and makes a lot of sense to me and my 30 years of following and being a part of AU, and that is good enough for me.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:34 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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There were not a lot of quality options out there when we hired Chiz.
I think it may have had more to do with the rumors (if true) that the people that were interviewed were told how much they would be handcuffed. I don't know if anyone should be given "total control", but they need to be able to run the program how they want with little to no interference.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:12 am to minor
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Sounds like we have a chance to clean our program up. I'm excited.
This. ALL of this.
I feel bad for Chizik in regards to his mother. That can't be easy for anyone to deal with, and it came at a terrible time (as if there's a good time).
But those are about the only feelings I have for him. He's getting paid a ridiculous amount of money to get run over by Miss. St., Ole Miss and Vandy. Absolutely pathetic. Good riddance, Gene.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 12:14 pm to allin2010
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VanGorder - Depending on who the HC is next year, he may be kept as DC and allowed to hire his own staff, likely replacing 2 of the current defensive assistants. Even though the VanGorder-Wayne Bolt incident was publically denied by Chizik, it did happen.
This part leads me to belive that this is simply fan speculation. Fans like myself love BVG.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 12:15 pm to lowspark12
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and Grimes
Grimes sucks. He can GTFO
Posted on 10/26/12 at 12:37 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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This part leads me to belive that this is simply fan speculation. Fans like myself love BVG.
Read it more as a new HC might want his own guy but the people making the decision would be fine with BVG sticking around with a new regime.
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