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re: So, I want to make sure that I understand our position
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:27 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:27 pm to LanierSpots
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take less money
take less money than WHO exactly? I dont think anyone asked him to take a pay cut. less than Saban, Fisher, Dabo, etc of course I expect him to take less. he isnt nearly as accomplished as those guys. he is closer to Mullen level.
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:28 pm to blzr
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you fricktard
and for the record twatwaffle I'm in Bham and will meet up anytime you can muster the courage. dont just be a keyboard commando.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:29 pm to AUTiger45
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oh I'm sorry, I didnt realize had so many top 10 classes to utilize. but go on telling us how UAB is a fair comparison to AU's talent.
Bill Clark has done a terrific job this year!
He's taken a "brand new" football program and have them possibly winning 9 games
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:30 pm to AUTiger45
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and for the record twatwaffle I'm in Bham and will meet up anytime you can muster the courage. dont just be a keyboard commando.
That grassy area on the right looks like a good place. I can set my chair up and enjoy some tots
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:32 pm to AUTiger45
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:32 pm to AUTiger45
Who the F are these people that have this obsession with Bill Clark?
If Bill Clark was half as good as people think, he wouldn't be coaching at UAB
If Bill Clark was half as good as people think, he wouldn't be coaching at UAB
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:33 pm to AUsteriskPride
yea, I agree with your point and the numbers are just stupid now. So high and so much money. But, if that is what the market is about to become, you are not going to be able to fight it. A lot of contracts are about to be re written
Lane was decent at USC and I think he is a very good coach. But, he has yet to prove he can run a bit time program without leaving it in flames. I am not sure that is the guy you give the keys of the Auburn program to.
Lane was decent at USC and I think he is a very good coach. But, he has yet to prove he can run a bit time program without leaving it in flames. I am not sure that is the guy you give the keys of the Auburn program to.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:35 pm to LanierSpots
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Lane was decent at USC and I think he is a very good coach. But, he has yet to prove he can run a bit time program without leaving it in flames. I am not sure that is the guy you give the keys of the Auburn program to.
So much this. AU needs stability & Lane is the most unstable football coach in the country. I honestly don't know who my choice would be right now but not loving idea of bringing Lane on because he won at FAU & is funny on Twitter
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:38 pm to LanierSpots
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ea, I agree with your point and the numbers are just stupid now. So high and so much money. But, if that is what the market is about to become, you are not going to be able to fight it. A lot of contracts are about to be re written
That's the thing, I think Gus wants his cake and eat it too. AU should just call his bluff. He'll fail at Arkansas, he won't have the recruits there to play the same teams he plays here. AU needs to power play him. Low ball the number and offer him stability, but do not get anywhere near that $7,000,000 mark. He has a good thing at AU, frick him if he wants to exploit the school for not really accomplishing anything since 2013.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:39 pm to LanierSpots
So let me get this straight, what happens if we lose 3 plus next year and he Is right back where he was after LSU. For that type money are we going to finally demand 10 wins each year like Clemson has done? We are being suckered in again to a huge buyout. If he produces 10 plus wins per year, I say pay him. But what happens if he slides back into his pattern?
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:40 pm to LanierSpots
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Lane was decent at USC and I think he is a very good coach. But, he has yet to prove he can run a bit time program without leaving it in flames. I am not sure that is the guy you give the keys of the Auburn program to
I wouldn't say USC was left up in flames. He just couldn't build any depth. Also, UT was left with talent, just like AU would be if Gus took his dream job (which is exactly what Lane did going to USC).
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:40 pm to AUsteriskPride
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AU should just call his bluff. He'll fail at Arkansas, he won't have the recruits there to play the same teams he plays here.
But how does that benefit Auburn? We can hate him and tell him that he should have stayed later? In the meantime, any good coach we hire, we are going to have to pay high as well. Without knowing if they will work or not and totally rebuilding the program. Again
Just everyone remember. If the head coach goes, most of the time the entire staff is released as well. That means everything we have built on is gone and we are back to zero. Recruits will leave and its December
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:42 pm to AU86
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If he produces 10 plus wins per year, I say pay him. But what happens if he slices back into his pattern?
That's just it, almost any coach can average 8 wins/year. His bowl record is atrocious, and his record against rivals isn't great either. He hasn't proven any sort of consistency. Call me crazy, but that isn't a coach that should be able to write his number down that he wants.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:45 pm to LanierSpots
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But how does that benefit Auburn? We can hate him and tell him that he should have stayed later? In the meantime, any good coach we hire, we are going to have to pay high as well. Without knowing if they will work or not and totally rebuilding the program. Again
Just everyone remember. If the head coach goes, most of the time the entire staff is released as well. That means everything we have built on is gone and we are back to zero. Recruits will leave and its December
you are fighting the good fight. we've already paid the money to give the man his on-the-job training. at this point, it's fair to debate whether hiring him in the first place after chiz was the right call. but 'burning it down and starting all over' after a 10-win minimum season is the height of stupidity.
pay the man and let him get back to work.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:47 pm to AUsteriskPride
But what coach could you hire today that would win 10 games a year in our position. The SEC West right now with Alabama on its historic run?
And don't forget that Malazahn has had us in 3 sec championships in 8 years, two national championships and we have one on the mantle.
I get we have not won them all but its not like we have been setting home watching everyone play every year. Up and down sucks but atlesat there are Ups. Its not like any coach out there is going to beat out Saban consistently and Gus has done it more than any other coach out there.
And don't forget that Malazahn has had us in 3 sec championships in 8 years, two national championships and we have one on the mantle.
I get we have not won them all but its not like we have been setting home watching everyone play every year. Up and down sucks but atlesat there are Ups. Its not like any coach out there is going to beat out Saban consistently and Gus has done it more than any other coach out there.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:48 pm to LanierSpots
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But how does that benefit Auburn? We can hate him and tell him that he should have stayed later? In the meantime, any good coach we hire, we are going to have to pay high as well. Without knowing if they will work or not and totally rebuilding the program.
It benefits AU in the sense a coach whos heart is in Arkansas, goes there. We all knew that was where he wanted to be when he was hired. He isn't fully vested in AU, hence this heavy courtship. He isn't some special catch where multiple schools are trying to scoop him up.
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Just everyone remember. If the head coach goes, most of the time the entire staff is released as well. That means everything we have built on is gone and we are back to zero. Recruits will leave and its December
Yes, most of the time they do, but usually with coaches of Steele's caliber, they are retained, or at least offered. But do you honestly believe a Kiffin type couldn't keep the class together all while adding some blue chips? Kids love the guy.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:51 pm to AUsteriskPride
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But do you honestly believe a Kiffin type couldn't keep the class together all while adding some blue chips? Kids love the guy.
No, I totally agree that would be a benifit of Kiffin. Hell, I would love the guy but thats not the point. Is he the guy we want running the program from now on? Do you feel comfortable he could do that without running it in the ground or getting us in Ole Miss type trouble?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:55 pm to LanierSpots
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But what coach could you hire today that would win 10 games a year in our position. The SEC West right now with Alabama on its historic run?
I didn't say that would be the case, but I think there are multiple that AU could hire that matches our success historically, which is what Malazan has done for the most part, although failing miserably to sustain AU's bowl success. Demographics have also changed, and AU is seeing the benefits of improved recruiting/resources.
All I am saying, AU has the resources and talent pool to be just fine. There is no reason for AU to allow him to exploit the university because he wants to go back to Arkansas and his ego wants us to stroke it for him.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:57 pm to LanierSpots
Our rivals are in the playoff while we get this most meaningless bowl game in history. Mainly because of LSU choke job.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 2:58 pm to AUsteriskPride
I’m willing to spend Auburn’s money and pay Gus a flat-rate of $8M guaranteed per year... no incentives, no bonuses.
But I insist on one single clause. I call it the “Gustard Clause”.
If at any time in the future Gus decides he’s gonna return to his 2015-2016 roots and go Full Gustard, then Auburn can fire him with no buy-out required.
How ‘bout it, Gus? You confident enough in your abilities to carry over 8M guaranteed from year to year? We have a deal?
But I insist on one single clause. I call it the “Gustard Clause”.
If at any time in the future Gus decides he’s gonna return to his 2015-2016 roots and go Full Gustard, then Auburn can fire him with no buy-out required.
How ‘bout it, Gus? You confident enough in your abilities to carry over 8M guaranteed from year to year? We have a deal?
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