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Razzle, dazzle, double reverse plays?

Posted on 11/7/21 at 6:57 am
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 6:57 am
Have any of our gadget plays worked?

Those take time to develop. We are just not good enough upfront for those to work against the power 5 talent.

At least we’ve used the TE a lot.

This post was edited on 11/7/21 at 6:58 am
Posted by Hussss
Living the Dream
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 7:01 am to
You could argue that both Penn St and aTm losses were due to this.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 7:02 am to
All Bo has to do is catch the ball with his hands and execute the play. He can't, so the play was destroyed.
Posted by Hussss
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 7:21 am to
Bo has a confidence issue. When adversity strikes, he can't overcome and only sinks deeper into his own head. Those early overthrows he had destroyed his confidence and once I saw him chewing out teammates, I KNEW he was DONE.

However: The opposite is true as well. When he hits big plays to gain confidence, he only gets better throughout the game.
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 7:30 am to
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However: The opposite is true as well. When he hits big plays to gain confidence, he only gets better throughout the game.

Reminds me of my putting.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 7:46 am to
Yeah, the overthrows are devastating to the offense.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 7:53 am to
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All Bo has to do is catch the ball with his hands and execute the play. He can't, so the play was destroyed.


The receiver was covered, there was not going to be a play anyway. The attempt to bust a receiver loose is pointless with the receiver corps we have.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 8:07 am to
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The attempt to bust a receiver loose is pointless with the receiver corps we have.

I actually disagree here. Johnson and Robertson are the only guys that have shown the ability to beat their man deep. Why not try a play that gets a safety to bite or eyes in the wrong place instead of just asking a subpar WR to beat his man.

But the OP is correct that for whatever reason seemingly every trick play has failed due to a player making a dumb mistake, like dropping the ball (Bo and Hudson).
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 8:21 am to
In that gimmick play ....I would lean toward the time spent in the backfield during the pitchouts to find a Tight End that has outrun the linebacker trying to cover him.

T A&M has talented Defensive Backs ...They didn't bite on the multiple pitch outs. Which means Johnson and Robinson were covered .....The trick to getting the gimmick to work?
rely on the guy that is faster than the man attempting to cover him. Unexpected? The Tight End that sneaks behind the coverage.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 11/7/21 at 8:35 am to
That razzle dazzle play was never going to work.

As a matter of fact, I think Bo took his eye off of the pitch, which caused him to drop it....

b/c there was a defensive player coming right at him up the middle. If Bo had not dropped the pitch, either the defensive player would have tackled Bo or Bo was going to have to scramble like he does with pressure.

But that didn't cause us to lose the game.

It was well covered WRs and the DL pretty much shutting down our running game and Bo's designated run plays. They practiced on that play, one could tell.
Posted by JRoweMDN
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:49 am to
I think the follow up fumble scoop and score put us out of it. Bo lost all confidence at that point and the rest of the team did too. They didn’t quit, just lost that edge.
Posted by Hussss
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:56 am to
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Bo lost all confidence


With his early overthrows, WR drops and O Line play.

As I stated in another thread, Bo has a big problem overcoming ANY adversity at all.

When things go well for him, they only get better though.

ETA: the theme seems to be that elite defenses, especially on the road, give him fits and it starts with our O Line and lack of reliable deep threat to take the top off the defense to open up the running game with Tank, Hunter & Worm.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 10:00 am
Posted by JRoweMDN
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
703 posts
Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:53 pm to
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it starts with our O Line


100% Once he loses confidence in the line he gets happy feet, and then makes a mistake that hurts his confidence in himself. Add in the drops by the WR and it all goes to hell in a hurry.
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:00 pm to
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I think the follow up fumble scoop and score put us out of it. Bo lost all confidence at that point and the rest of the team did too. They didn’t quit, just lost that edge.




It also could be the fact that it put us behind by 3 scores with about 10 minutes left, and we haven't put the ball in the end zone for 5+ quarters.
We just had no answer for them all game long. I was most disappointed in the fact that we appeared to make zero adjustments in the 2nd half, and ran the same offense that didn't work in the 1st half.
Posted by Tigerpro2a
Huntsville, AL
Member since Sep 2018
626 posts
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:02 am to
What was
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100% Once he loses confidence in the line he gets happy feet, and then makes a mistake that hurts his confidence in himself. Add in the drops by the WR and it all goes to hell in a hurry.


What was his excuse against Aggies then? The Oline had one of their best Pass blocking games.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16497 posts
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:46 am to
Best grade of the season for our OL not good pass blocking OLs. Very average at best in this game. Run blocking was bad bad. Name one player on our OL that would be in the top 20 of SEC linemen.

That’s not a defense of Bo, he had a poor game. But to say he was clean in the pocket is just not looking at the facts. 4 sacks… no clue on hits or pressure but was a lot.

We had zero sacks and only 2 tackles for a loss. Plus they ran it at a 6.2 clip to our 2.5. Our longest play from scrimmage was 15 yards. That’s getting your arse whipped at every spot.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 4:17 am to
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That’s getting your arse whipped at every spot.



But other than that, it went well.

As bad as we played, we managed to get to the fourth quarter with a chance to win IF we could have made some plays.

We played bad and lost. It happens.

A&M did a great job with the bye week on defense. They were waiting for a number of Bo’s runs and other plays as well. Throw in a few drops and a missed FG , and it’s a recipe to almost get skunked.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36186 posts
Posted on 11/12/21 at 4:29 am to
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What was his excuse against Aggies then? The Oline had one of their best Pass blocking games.

Their “improved” scores are considered by the PFF to be underperforming and below average, so I can’t believe you even asked this.
That’s like saying “look I brought my Math grade up from 51 to 60. What’s your excuse for getting on to me now?”
Posted by Niner
Member since Apr 2019
2026 posts
Posted on 11/12/21 at 6:18 am to
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Their “improved” scores are considered by the PFF to be underperforming and below average, so I can’t believe you even asked this.
That’s like saying “look I brought my Math grade up from 51 to 60. What’s your excuse for getting on to me now?”
To be fair, I did not go look at the PFF scores and, from reading this board, it sounded like we had a "good" o-line against Aggies. That may be where his perspective came from.

Regardless, your statement makes much more sense than our O-line magically becoming serviceable...
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