re: Question for the Harsin haters…

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tilco

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I think they all have an NIL deal with Catapult or something. I hate that look too but it’s whatever.

The catapult sports tracker is actually monitoring their output and gathers all kinds of metrics for the strength coach to use for physical development.

Catapult tracker

Diamond Kinetics and K Motion have similar products for baseball players as well. Might be a little more advanced then the catapult device.

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And you act like Gus didn't struggle with any above average team anywhere.

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Take out 2015 from odd numbered years and he didn’t in those years - hello lone Arky and Ole Miss losses.

7-1 against Arky, 7-1 against Ole Miss, 5-3 against Mississippi State, 5-3 against A&M, 2-0 against Missouri, 2-0 against Kentucky. Spare me.

We have knocked out Ole Miss (and Laquon) when they were ranked and trending up. He won against quality neutral site opponents as well.

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And you're full of yourself if you think Gustav's offense would have been any better, after the shitshow he put on the field in 2020.

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Surely you’re not talking about against LSU. Gus boat raced LSU then.


And yeah, Gus did rarely lose to some inferior teams with great years such as Dak Prescott’s teams or Ole Miss teams, but that’s no knock against Gus. He had more concerning knocks against him. Stats show you’re barking up the wrong tree there.

Again, you are assuming that last year's ineptitude was entirely Harsin's fault, and yet you've provided no evidence that Gustav would have done better except "he did better in the past, with entirely different rosters under entirely different circumstances against entirely different opponents".

I will give you the MSU game, I feel like he would have managed to pull that one out. But using your own criteria, he'd proven that he could lose to a mediocre LSU team in Red Stick (2017), he'd proven he could lose to a bad South Carolina team on the road (2020, first AU loss to the Cocks in 80+ years). And he appeared badly outcoached against Arky and Ole Miss with their current HCs, given that we had the talent to win both of those games with ease.

I know we're talking past one another, but forget history and look at the actual matchups that took place last season and tell me that you are confident that AU under Gustav would have won more than they actually did under Harsin.

And again I remind you I'm not defending Harsin here. I'm still not convinced he is the HC he pretends to be, as you so astutely observed in another post. But I don't think saying 'huh, Gus would have won 9 games' without anything but the magic of the odd-numbered year mojo is a valid criticism.

If if’s and buts were candy and nuts we’d all have a merry Christmas.

No one is changing anyone’s mind on hypothetical situations.

No one here hates Harsin either. Some say give him 5 years some say produce now. That’s the only differences in the 2 sides. We have no better or worse fans when it comes to patience for a new coach as any of the big boys in the conference.

So for fricks sake on the bleeding heart bullshite from everyone. Dude makes almost 5 million a year. It’s time to win some battles. He has had the opportunity all off season to do it on the recruiting trail in a hair over a month he has the chance on the field. The rest is just noise. Logically though all we have to go off of for Harsin is his recruiting and last season. And that’s a big thumbs down from me at this point

I can toss a mean word salad myself, so I hear ya brAUther

I really want Harsin to succeed, probably because I like that he was an unexpectedly untraditional hire, and I really felt like we needed fresh blood and new thinking. Then I read some of the preseason criticism of him on tRant and damned if it didn’t turn out to be warranted, at least thus far.

I still disagree with the coup attempt - in this day and age you can undo the effects of a bad hire pretty quickly, but not if you screw up the firing so badly it damages your prospects. I don’t think the “quick trigger” tag the media has tried to hang on us has any merit - we stick with Gustav for 8 years, after all - but the underhanded way they went about trying to get rid of Harsin didn’t exactly cover us in glory.

And I don’t buy the “we’re Auburn, we can get any HC we want” mantra either - that’s demonstrably false, or else we wouldn’t have settled for Harsin (or Gustav, or 5-19 Chiz either). Kneecapping Harsin without firing him was probably the worst thing we could have done, which is the most Auburn thing ever.

Ah well, at least Bill Clark retired so he can’t pretend to turn us down ndxt time…

[quote]ptb want to hire Will Muschamp or Charlie Kelly.

I don't whether to laugh or cry.

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I guess after all this shite, no one else would take the job anyway.

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.....and some of ours just fail to see that. We are our own worst enemy.

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We only care about hiring the right guy.

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Just out of curiosity, who would you choose if you were the PTB?