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TigerProwl24
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
I think Harsin will retain the defensive staff for continuity/recruiting on the defensive side and retain Caddy and maybe Porter for recruiting on the offensive side. I look for him to bring in a new OC/OL coach, WR/TE coach, and strength/conditioning coach.

Over, 7, Caddy, Porter, Steele, Garner, Mcgriff, TWill and Pogue.


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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
Over I can see retaining TWill and Garner. Caddy may be retained. So I will go also with 2.5.


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metafour
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
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I think Harsin will retain the defensive staff for continuity/recruiting on the defensive side and retain Caddy and maybe Porter for recruiting on the offensive side. I look for him to bring in a new OC/OL coach, WR/TE coach, and strength/conditioning coach.

Over, 7, Caddy, Porter, Steele, Garner, Mcgriff, TWill and Pogue.


You think an experienced HC is coming in here and basically circling back the previous failed coaching staff that may or may not have had a million problems...because...why? What you are predicting to happen pretty much never happens for a reason.

And LMAO @ bringing back the entire defensive staff because of "recruiting". What was that entire staff doing all year here? Because they lost basically every top recruit we were in contention for at the start of the cycle, and that was long before Malzahn was fired.


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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
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Over, 7, Caddy, Porter, Steele, Garner, Mcgriff, TWill and Pogue.

It’s unusual when one coach is retained. It would be insane for 7 to stay.


metafour
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It’s unusual when one coach is retained. It would be insane for 7 to stay.



Gus Malzahn didn't retain a single person from Chizik's staff and he actually coached WITH most of the previous staff at Auburn before he left. But Harsin is going to keep 75%+ of Malzahn's staff, whom he has zero ties to?

The lack of common sense is pretty astounding sometimes.


Weagle25
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
If we keep that many then I will 100% believe the rumors that we forced Harsin into the assistants we wanted


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TigerProwl24
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
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You think an experienced HC is coming in here and basically circling back the previous failed coaching staff that may or may not have had a million problems...because...why?

I said why. First off, the defense wasn’t the issue. Second, he will need help immediately finding coaches familiar with the south for recruiting purposes. He is going to have an extremely hard time finding a DC as good as Steele, a recruiting coordinator and DL coach as good as Garner, someone with TWill’s ties to Auburn and recruiting prowess, McGriff’s ties to Mississippi in recruiting and Pogue’s ties to Alabama in recruiting. Harsin will be changing our offensive philosophy and concepts. He will provide different leadership overall but I don’t see why much has to change on the defensive side of the ball.

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And LMAO @ bringing back the entire defensive staff because of "recruiting". What was that entire staff doing all year here? Because they lost basically every top recruit we were in contention for at the start of the cycle, and that was long before Malzahn was fired.

Malzahn, and the perception of our team under his leadership, had a lot to do with that. Our defensive staff has good recruiters and we shouldn’t have a problem recruiting the type of talent we need to compete at the highest level.

And this is just my opinion..


TigerProwl24
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It’s unusual when one coach is retained. It would be insane for 7 to stay.


It is but everything is unusual these days. I could see us retain zero but I could also see up to 7. Who knows..
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TigerProwl24
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
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The lack of common sense is pretty astounding sometimes.


I understand your reasoning. It is normal. But do you understand mine? Harsin didn’t have great defenses at Boise State. Who do you think he is going to hire, that is better than the defensive staff we already have and familiar with recruiting in the south? Who? Throw out some names because I’m just not sure who there is. Would you rather hire an entirely different defensive staff and be terrible on defense, or keep most of the staff and have a good defense? Which would you rather have?
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metafour
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
Oh, I get it now.

You think the guys responsible for the average-as-frick results are actually all elite coaches but they were just hamstrung by Malzahn this entire time?

I love how Kevin Steele is now all of a sudden this "can't lose" DC when the reality of the matter is that prior to coming to Auburn he was bouncing around from school to school on a bi-yearly basis for basically over a decade with not one of those teams losing any sleep over it. He is an entirely replaceable above-average DC who is an okay but not elite recruiter (dude is old as frick and doesn't like recruiting off campus) who was in fact the most overpaid coordinator in the country. In no universe is Kevin Steele an irreplaceable asset.

The other crap about how all those other guys are irreplaceable for their "recruiting ties" is laughable as well. Who was the last elite recruit that McGriff pulled? What ties to Mississippi recruiting? We were in year 8 and Garner's irreplaceable recruiting and "DL coaching" left a roster with zero talent at DT. The DL got abused by literally every team we faced with an above-average OL.


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TigerProwl24
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
Damn dude, we’re just having a discussion. Settle the f down and take some of your blood pressure meds.


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awestruck
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
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Who do you think he is going to hire, that is better than the defensive staff we already have and familiar with recruiting in the south? Who?
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If I'm heading into a situation were there was accusations of backstabbing (of both the coach and AD) that's potentially the place to totally clean out. So I'd say none on the D'side.

And being he's offense savvy and probably possessing play book of more than one side of one page. And seeing the current state of the O'line. I'd say little to none there also.

I'll take the under. Because maybe not even the S&C Coordinator get's to remain.


FearlessFreep
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I'll take the under. Because maybe not even the S&C Coordinator get's to remain.
I'm going with the under as well.

Maybe wishful thinking, but I'm hoping this is a 'sink or swim' type hire for Greene, and that Harsin will clean house (just as Gustav did, and Tubs before him).

Harsin strikes me as a guy who won't take any chances on disloyalty. I think he's going to bring in guys he thinks will buy into his process 100%.

Of course if the rumors are true that he was hired on the condition that he had to keep any of the old staff, I too will subscribe to the rumors, and temper my expectations accordingly.


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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
Harsin is going to clean house. It sucks for Cadddy and T-Will, but that's coaching.


Rhino5
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
Zero retained.

He’s diving into shark infested waters. He’d be an idiot to keep any prior AU people around that could whine and bitch the first time something happened that they didn’t like.


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TigerProwl24
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
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You think the guys responsible for the average-as-frick results are actually all elite coaches but they were just hamstrung by Malzahn this entire time?

You aren’t even trying to understand what I’m saying.. taking everything to extremes. Our defensive results haven’t been average, much better than that actually compared to our past, and I didn’t say all our coaches were elite, just ideal through a transition of hiring a coach that isn’t exactly familiar with the territory . As a group, they are competitive but with new leadership could provide a spark and different direction. Do you not think the perception or trajectory of our program under Malzahn has anything to do with recruiting?
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I love how Kevin Steele is now all of a sudden this "can't lose" DC when the reality of the matter is that prior to coming to Auburn he was bouncing around from school to school on a bi-yearly basis for basically over a decade with not one of those teams losing any sleep over it. He is an entirely replaceable above-average DC who is an okay but not elite recruiter (dude is old as frick and doesn't like recruiting off campus) who was in fact the most overpaid coordinator in the country. In no universe is Kevin Steele an irreplaceable asset.

Maybe we should hire Pelini or Van Gorder or Ted Roof.. don’t act like Steele hasn’t done a great job with our defense and more formidable than years prior to him. Who would you replace him with? If you can’t offer a better alternative than you need to STFU. And absolutely no one said he was a great recruiter, that responsibility falls to the assistants.
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The other crap about how all those other guys are irreplaceable for their "recruiting ties" is laughable as well. Who was the last elite recruit that McGriff pulled? What ties to Mississippi recruiting? We were in year 8 and Garner's irreplaceable recruiting and "DL coaching" left a roster with zero talent at DT. The DL got abused by literally every team we faced with an above-average OL.


So McGriff doesn’t have pull in Mississippi? And Garner isn’t a good DL coach and doesn’t have an eye for talent on the DL and able to pull competitive talent?

Newsflash, we aren’t perfect and you need to lower your expectations.. and I fear you will only respect what Steele, Garner have done with our defense until maybe they are gone. I think it would be a mistake.

But please, I put myself out on a limb by going against the grain and saying we might want to retain more than most would.. and if you feel so strongly in criticizing my opinion, then you obviously have better alternatives. Who are they? Give us some names smart guy.
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TigerProwl24
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
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If I'm heading into a situation were there was accusations of backstabbing (of both the coach and AD) that's potentially the place to totally clean out.

I don’t believe everything the media says and don’t think this was the case at all.


awestruck
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
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don’t believe everything the media says
That's usually smart, maybe even this time, however AL.COM who I usually shy away from went out on a limb to post this one.

And sometimes where there's smoke... it's not just bama folk fanning the flames.
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TigerProwl24
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
Makes for a good story doesn’t it.. Does anyone really think that Kevin Steele was going to be our next head coach? No. Not you, not me, not him, not them, not anyone. Makes zero sense. What does make sense is that they wanted him to continue to be DC because our defense has been better under him than anyone in recent memory..
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Weagle25
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re: Prediction Thread: Over/Under on Retained Assistants
You’re overrating Steele’s defenses.

We were 61st in total defense this year. 36th in scoring defense.

I still think a lot of success has on defense has to do with Muschamp’s recruiting

Steele is a good coach. I’d rather go in a different direction though.


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