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re: Potential offensive line coach candidates- UPDATE : Jack Bicknell Jr. Hired
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:21 pm to jangalang
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:21 pm to jangalang
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I’ve NEVER heard of Fry before last night. Doubt many of y’all have either. Why are we so sure he won’t work out. Morris is calling the plays, I guess he can have control of who he wants.
I think most have just seen how much Arky fans hated him, though I'm sure there is a lot more to that whole situation than any one coach is responsible for.
Really no telling how he will be. Very inexperienced.
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:26 pm to ellitor
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Yes you’re crazy given the results of Gus micromanaging this stuff in the past and the results they’re of. If Chad is calling the shots here then it’s good to finally see Gus let an offensive Coordinator actually do their job. Also many OC’s at many places in the past have Brought in some of their own position coaches.
Agreed. Not sure what is so outrageous about a coordinator hiring someone they prefer. They're supposed to run the offense for crying out loud - the OL coach is integral in that regard.
Delegation to competent employees (a coordinator in this case) can oftentimes be a great thing. See virtually every successful medium to large business in capitalist America.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:38 pm to IAmNERD
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Am I crazy here
Short answer is yes.
OCs and DCs at 90% of the schools out there determine position coaches.
Gus is the exception not the rule when it comes to not allowing his OCs to dictate position coaches.
Remember Tony Franklin by chance? Before Gus and the way he dictates position coaches, he was the only OC I had ever seen that wasnt allowed to bring in his own position coaches.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:47 pm to auburn2eugene
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OCs and DCs at 90% of the schools out there determine position coaches.
That is not true in the slightest.
Is Gus more controlling of it than a lot, sure, but your statement is just wrong, especially when it comes to the side of the ball that the HC is known for.
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Remember Tony Franklin by chance? Before Gus and the way he dictates position coaches, he was the only OC I had ever seen that wasnt allowed to bring in his own position coaches.
You must not get out much.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:51 pm to Pettifogger
quote:I'll be honest, I really have no idea of whether or not Fry is decent.
I'm sure it'll be Fry
Which I'm leery of
In his five seasons as a fulltime OL coach, he's never had a player taken in the NFL draft, so there's that. His OL performed pretty well for Morris' offense at SMU. At Arky, not so much.
That said, the one thing that makes me leery of this potential hire is that AU is presented with an opportunity to really perform due diligence and hire the best possible man for the job. Why hire this guy just because the OC is familiar with him (because they just got fired together for sucking at their jobs)?
Fry would be the simplest, laziest choice. Why not take a little time and consider some other options?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 5:23 pm to FearlessFreep
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Fry would be the simplest, laziest choice.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 6:52 pm to lwebb4087
There are a lot of folks calling for Kendall Simmons. I have no issue with the guy and I love for our alums to do well.
But... Auburn is not a learn on the job type of place. We already have Kodi, Cadillac, and TWill as position coaches. TWill has been good, but the jury is still out on the other two. I want the best coach available for every position and that is the standard at championship programs.
Nobody was beating down Cadillac, Kodi, or TWill's doors to hire them. Not because they don't have potential, but because they hadn't proven themselves as coaches. Gus avoids criticism by hiring Auburn alums when he should be seeking out the best coaches available.
My theory, nobody worth a damn wants to work for Gus (especially on the offensive side of the ball). Unless they are a. desperate, b. from the tiny Gus coaching tree, or c. an alum.
But... Auburn is not a learn on the job type of place. We already have Kodi, Cadillac, and TWill as position coaches. TWill has been good, but the jury is still out on the other two. I want the best coach available for every position and that is the standard at championship programs.
Nobody was beating down Cadillac, Kodi, or TWill's doors to hire them. Not because they don't have potential, but because they hadn't proven themselves as coaches. Gus avoids criticism by hiring Auburn alums when he should be seeking out the best coaches available.
My theory, nobody worth a damn wants to work for Gus (especially on the offensive side of the ball). Unless they are a. desperate, b. from the tiny Gus coaching tree, or c. an alum.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:29 pm to IAmNERD
This OL opening is given to Chad Morris to select (Dustin Fry), then when Morris leaves next year for a HC job, and brings Fry with him, we then hire Ryan Pugh to both openings. Boom.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:37 pm to WarEagleJersey
quote:FIFY
his OL opening is given to Chad Morris to select (Dustin Fry), then when Morris leaves next year for a HC job, and brings Fry with him, we then hire Herb Hand again to really frick things up again. Boom.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:40 pm to BuckFama334
Yeah, your theory is spot on. Except Muschamp. And Steele. And Garner. And McGriff.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:43 pm to rbWarEagle
Lane Kiffin
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:59 pm to BuckFama334
love the hot takes from you. Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:01 pm to blzr
Just awful.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:02 pm to rbWarEagle
There’s a couple of guys that I can accurately predict what they’ll say in every thread as soon as I read the OP. It’s awesome every time
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:05 pm to TheJones
Right? It’s getting to the point where I see a couple of letters or numbers in a username and I just keep scrolling. But occasionally the takes are so thoughtless and toxic that I can’t help myself.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:03 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Yep. That's why OCs and DCs absolutely never have certain coaches attached at their hips huh because they normally get no input over position coaches... Mmmmmk there skippy
Doesnt matter that's off topic. We need to hire someone who can actually recruit us some top level OTs...
Doesnt matter that's off topic. We need to hire someone who can actually recruit us some top level OTs...
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 12:05 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:22 am to auburn2eugene
PM says Auburn didn’t fire or push out Grimes, and that the departure took the staff by surprise. Marcello echoes that Auburn actually offered Grimes a raise, but he declined in favor of retirement.
So Morris wasn’t the reason for the departure. And the move was not in the works.
So Morris wasn’t the reason for the departure. And the move was not in the works.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:25 am to jangalang
Sometimes people who live in insular situations don't realize their is a major problem that needs fixing...surprised nobody thought we might have an issue along the OL. However, people not noticing an obvious issue within the system they reside is pretty normal. Many struggle with it.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:56 am to rbWarEagle
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Yeah, your theory is spot on. Except Muschamp. And Steele. And Garner. And McGriff.
Muschamp: Fired as HC at Florida. Went to the highest SEC bidder until another HC opportunity came his way. Our defense was atrocious, which I am sure he saw as a plus to prove himself. He also had a relationship with Jay Jacobs.
Steele: His year at LSU was reviewed as a mixed bag at best. LSU people were pretty pleased to see him go. His brother works in our AD.
Garner: Auburn alum, previously worked here under Dye and Bowden. Richt was a year away from being fired at Georgia. Strong relationship with Joe Whitt and others in AD.
McGriff: Hired as our DB coach in 2016 after being respected as solid journeyman, position coach. Failed at Ole Miss as DC. Settled right back into former job here.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:30 am to jangalang
quote:If what they are reporting is true. AUC has been known to be a mouthpiece for the University, particularly Philip.
PM says Auburn didn’t fire or push out Grimes, and that the departure took the staff by surprise. Marcello echoes that Auburn actually offered Grimes a raise, but he declined in favor of retirement.
So Morris wasn’t the reason for the departure. And the move was not in the works.
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