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re: OC is in da house

Posted on 12/11/18 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 6:32 pm to
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And you mentioned UGA putting us in their rear view, not sure they have won any more than we have lately. Yes they are on a up swing and dong well right now but there is no hardware in the trophy case right now to merit your case. I totally get what you are getting at but by saying get a natty or move on, you will probably be looking for a coach for a long time



He's not saying Gus has to constantly win titles. He's just saying that it's kind of dumb to bring up the fact that Gus helped us win a title with one of the most talented players in NCAA history 7 years ago as a defense for his sucking lately. LSU fired one of those 4 Les Miles and he was way more consistent than Gus.
Posted by PrisonMike
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:25 pm to
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only four active coaches with Nattys under their belt
And next year there will be 5 with Mack Brown and Les Miles back in the saddle, but Gus isn't on that list. I gave him credit for being a part of 2010, but like it or not, only Chizik gets the epitaph on that one. Gus can put his name out there with an asterisk when he's on the recruiting trail, but he wasn't the head coach. I mention this only because you did. This really doesn't have a lot of bearing on my arguments.

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UGA...not sure they have won any more than we have lately
No one being honest would say that we are close to being even with UGA (or Bama) on the recruiting trail, with position coaches, with player development, or with advancing our football team as a brand. I get that Bama and UGA are the "state" schools and that historically gives them an automatic leg-up. But the same isn't true in South Carolina, Texas, or Ohio. Why does it have to continue to be true here?

The ingredients to championships are one of two things: (1) lighting in a bottle (à la Cam Newton) or (2) commitment. Number 1, you've got much less control of. Number 2, you can affect. And what I see on the part of a lot of Auburn University decision makers is lack of commitment to do the hard things. If you see you are going down a path that isn't producing the results you want, pivot. Turn around. Quit bitching about your condition and change it.

Bama wins championships because they want it more than we do and are committed to getting it done. Yes, a huge portion of their fanbase is insufferable. Yes, they have advantages that we won't ever have. And yes, they have probably been cheating since before I was born. But they also do very legitimate things to put them in positions for success. No, Auburn will probably never match the historical success of Bama, but I do not understand why we don't try. I do not understand why we aim low. I do not understand why we don't collapse, punching those guys every single year on every single front. If we do that, consistently, we will have a handful of championships over the next 15-20 years.

Gus may do better in 2019 than he did this year. But if you look at his overall body of work and where we are at as program in 2018, I do not think Gus is the winning solution for the long term. "Get a Natty or Move On" is EXACTLY what head coaches interviewing for a job need to know Auburn expects. Weed the weak ones out before the interview. That's how we should roll.

This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 9:42 pm
Posted by PrisonMike
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:39 pm to
* And to be clear, the "Get a Natty or Move On" motto comes with the understanding that Auburn will fund the other elements of success. We'll pay for the good position coaches. We'll fund the recruiting machine that attracts the right recruits.

We've done these things, but the piece we are missing is finding the right guy at the top. Yes, that's the most expensive piece and it takes a search committee with their head on straight. But we've got our marching orders. Go find a winner. Hopefully, that search committee is already formed and talking to candidates about 2020.

If you think the best commanders are formulating plan B while they are in retreat, you'd be wrong. They've got plan B and C already filed away for when they are ready to pull the trigger.
Posted by auburn2eugene
Now back in Oneonta Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1097 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:57 am to
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who is acting this way?


You are right. That part I should of edited out. I started that post off saying it was from a post on another site.

And y'all know how they are at AuFamily.

There were people in there seriously acting like we had hired a home run coach.

So yeah, apologies for that... I totally should of edited that part out for this site
Posted by auburn2eugene
Now back in Oneonta Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1097 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:59 am to
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I’m wondering where you’re seeing this


Yeah that part too.

#CopyPasteFail
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
7966 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:25 am to
I'm not going to sit here and claim he is the next coming but there are reasons to believe he could be an excellent hire. One Mark Richt wanted him to be his OC/QB coach and 2 Norvell has in his brief time at Memphis done a really good job eyeing coaches as evidenced by how many of his hires have moved up the ladder to a P5 level job. His last OC is up for the Broyles award.
Posted by auburn2eugene
Now back in Oneonta Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1097 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:43 am to
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there are reasons to believe he could be an excellent hire


Sure there is a chance he could be a homerun hire. But I just pointed out facts.

He was a high school coach for 13 years. As a camp manager, Freshman coach, and he made it as far as OC in the high school ranks.

He was an offensive grad assistant for 2 years who worked with TEs at Arizona State.

He was an offensive grad assistant working with TEs for a year in Memphis.

He spent one year as TE coach and QB coach at Memphis

He spent 1 year as a non play calling OC/QB coach at Memphis.

He has a grand total of 2 years as on on the field coach.

Since when did Auburn become a place that coaches go to and get on the job training?

I mean one can always find a silver lining... So yeah we hire an "up and comer" that no one has ever heard of... Meanwhile Bama and UT are interviewing REAL coaches as for their OC position... Coaches that Gus couldn't even get to talk to him. Bobby Bentley turned us down. The RB coach at South Carolina turned down the job to be our OC... THAT says everything that needs said about the state of the program.

Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18151 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:17 am to
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No one being honest would say that we are close to being even with UGA (or Bama) on the recruiting trail, with position coaches, with player development, or with advancing our football team as a brand

Agree 100% with this......

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I get that Bama and UGA are the "state" schools and that historically gives them an automatic leg-up. But the same isn't true in South Carolina, Texas, or Ohio. Why does it have to continue to be true here?


I disagree with you totally here.

Clemson is great now, but they were terrible for a long long time. You cannot compare going against Alabama to going against an urban school like USC which has never done anything. Auburn owns a 34-15-2 record against Clemson (2-4 since 2007)

Texas They are still #1 in Texas, but I do not see another Texas school better than them. Who do you think is better than Texas?

Ohio StateThey are the state school, similar to LSU. They have always been the big school, in the big conference with no other big school in the state.

We live in a small state with a huge state school (Alabama) that has money, tradition and influence.

Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
7966 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:40 am to
It's oversimplifying the situation to say Bentley turned down the OC here to remain the Rb coach at S Carolina but I'll conceed that factual you are correct. We are only hiring Dillingham to coach QBs. Based on the regression by Stidham and non development of Willis I'd say at the minimum can't do worse than Lindsey.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 9:42 am
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
7966 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:40 am to
DP
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 9:42 am
Posted by AUX3
Member since Dec 2010
3447 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:22 pm to
How does 28 yr old have 13 yrs HS experience? + 5 more yrs of experience

He's been coaching since 10? Sounds pretty bad arse. Love your facts. We have a homer un prodigy hire. Football genius
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