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Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:37 pm to plaric
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Y’all should meet at the sonic. Duke it out over some tots
I'm in Nashville I'll film it and ref to make sure there's no touching of the hair or face!
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:38 pm to plaric
He’d need moms permission his Christmas $ and the family Camry to make it.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:49 pm to AUX3
Ahem, AUX3 -- it's not like you haven't shown your own bias with your persistent Gus apologies. I personally think you are a Bama alter, but I am willing to be wrong.
I don't think anyone here wants to see Gus fail next season, but pardon the lack of optimism about 2019. A lot of what is happening now isn't any different than we've seen before. We've hired an OC with a high octane offense to assist Gus before. That didn't help. Gus has always been calling the plays. He's just admitting it now. Sure, there were probably blocks of games where it was Chip "calling" the plays off of Gus' playbook, but that is just silly.
I have no problem with a setup where the HC calls all the plays and the OC is nothing but a position coach. There are multiple examples of where that works well. The issue is that Gus has NONE OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS of a successful offense in place.
No OL recruiting. No OL development. Really, no offensive player development period. No consistent recruiting of big RBs (hat-tip to Lanier). No inspirational play-calling. No advanced receiver route schemes. And now several seasons without a QB to fit his system. To be clear, it's OKAY TO HAVE A SYSTEM. But recruit to it, teach it, manage to it, own it...and then be willing to adapt once defenses figure it out.
Some say Gus just hasn't found his identity. But it is possible for a man to have the identity of a highly-intelligent yet uninspiring and unadaptable introvert who lacks self-awareness. He could also be highly-intelligent, adaptable, and self-aware but be so phrenetic that he is unable to effectively communicate his ideas to large groups of people. Those have to be considered as options based on the data we have. (He could also be a very nice man...but I digress.)
Sure, we've had an exciting season or two. But those seasons were inseparable from hotshot transfer QBs, electric RBs, and flukes ('The Prayer at Jordon Hare' and 'Kick 6').
No one who is honest will tell you that Gus is a better coach now than he was in 2010 or 2014. Because he isn't. If you believe it, give me a couple of examples. There isn't an Auburn fan around who isn't patient, but most are savvy enough to know that more of the same from Gus isn't going to yield a different result.
Forget the historical averages back to 1892. These are the glory days of SEC football. Auburn deserves a piece of it as much as anyone else. It isn't unreasonable to want a lot of 10-win seasons. We may have to be satisfied with less, but we'll never win championships aiming low.
I don't think anyone here wants to see Gus fail next season, but pardon the lack of optimism about 2019. A lot of what is happening now isn't any different than we've seen before. We've hired an OC with a high octane offense to assist Gus before. That didn't help. Gus has always been calling the plays. He's just admitting it now. Sure, there were probably blocks of games where it was Chip "calling" the plays off of Gus' playbook, but that is just silly.
I have no problem with a setup where the HC calls all the plays and the OC is nothing but a position coach. There are multiple examples of where that works well. The issue is that Gus has NONE OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS of a successful offense in place.
No OL recruiting. No OL development. Really, no offensive player development period. No consistent recruiting of big RBs (hat-tip to Lanier). No inspirational play-calling. No advanced receiver route schemes. And now several seasons without a QB to fit his system. To be clear, it's OKAY TO HAVE A SYSTEM. But recruit to it, teach it, manage to it, own it...and then be willing to adapt once defenses figure it out.
Some say Gus just hasn't found his identity. But it is possible for a man to have the identity of a highly-intelligent yet uninspiring and unadaptable introvert who lacks self-awareness. He could also be highly-intelligent, adaptable, and self-aware but be so phrenetic that he is unable to effectively communicate his ideas to large groups of people. Those have to be considered as options based on the data we have. (He could also be a very nice man...but I digress.)
Sure, we've had an exciting season or two. But those seasons were inseparable from hotshot transfer QBs, electric RBs, and flukes ('The Prayer at Jordon Hare' and 'Kick 6').
No one who is honest will tell you that Gus is a better coach now than he was in 2010 or 2014. Because he isn't. If you believe it, give me a couple of examples. There isn't an Auburn fan around who isn't patient, but most are savvy enough to know that more of the same from Gus isn't going to yield a different result.
Forget the historical averages back to 1892. These are the glory days of SEC football. Auburn deserves a piece of it as much as anyone else. It isn't unreasonable to want a lot of 10-win seasons. We may have to be satisfied with less, but we'll never win championships aiming low.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:55 pm to PrisonMike
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don't think anyone here wants to see Gus fail next season,
Uh... don’t think I can disagree with this more... most people want him to fail, bc they’ve already made up their minds... and nothing will change that.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:13 pm to lowspark12
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Uh... don’t think I can disagree with this more... most people want him to fail, bc they’ve already made up their minds... and nothing will change that.
Yeah I have to agree. Seems like there’s a significant part of the fanbase that wants him to fail. It’s weird.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:27 pm to Weagle25
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Yeah I have to agree. Seems like there’s a significant part of the fanbase that wants him to fail. It’s weird.
Which also means they want Auburn Football to fail. If true that is a sad fact. I am not a CGM fan over the past couple of years did me in but I will always pull for Auburn to win. I hope that we get development in all areas. That would show some promise. I hope that our QBs can be developed. I don't think we have had that under CGMs tenure. I hope that the new OC will do that and we get some quality play...would love to see our O line be much better this coming year...
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:27 pm to PrisonMike
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Sure, we've had an exciting season or two. But those seasons were inseparable from hotshot transfer QBs, electric RBs, and flukes ('The Prayer at Jordon Hare' and 'Kick 6').
Why can’t we just give Gus some credit?
Every good team ever has either had hot shot QBs, electric RBs and some luck.
I’m all for bashing the guy for what he deserves to be bashed for but he should also get credit for what he deserves credit for. He’s produced IMO 4 very good teams. 2010, 2013, 2014 (even though they choked down the stretch), & 2017. Didn’t execute with all of them though.
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There isn't an Auburn fan around who isn't patient,
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:52 pm to Weagle25
quote:Not to be adversarial, but I'm not sure how you measure credit. We've actually given Gus 5 years of salary plus a $49M parachute. That's a lot of credit.
Why can’t we just give Gus some credit?
quote:And the ones that won championships also had good coaching. That's the part we are missing. I'll give you the unique combo of Gus' misdirection play calling plus personnel equals 2010 National Championship. But what's next? How many years of good-will does one National Championship buy you?
Every good team ever has either had hot shot QBs, electric RBs and some luck.
I'd say about 7. And that's where we are.
Good coaches sustain teams year over year. We don't see that with Gus. It's year 7. No growth. UGA and Bama have us in the rearview. Credit's used up, Gus. Produce or move on.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:56 pm to PrisonMike
100% spot on
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:10 pm to Weagle25
I am one of the most outspoken people on the planet about Gus but I don't WANT him to fail. I think he will, and I want us to go ahead and fire him, but it wouldn't make me happy for him to fail. If he came out and led us to a 10 win season with consistent play all the way through I would be all for giving him another shot. the problem is that I just don't have faith he can do that. I think he's a washed up coach who was an early adopter of a great offensive scheme but it's been figured out and he won't adapt.
I think the thing that kills me the most is he can't even scout the talent he has on his own team. Why does Kam Martin start the season over Boobie? Why does Sal have almost the same number of catches as Schwartz? Why do we throw to our kicker with our backup quarterback using the punter as the lead blocker? It's just stupid stuff like that that makes it hard to envision him having success
I think the thing that kills me the most is he can't even scout the talent he has on his own team. Why does Kam Martin start the season over Boobie? Why does Sal have almost the same number of catches as Schwartz? Why do we throw to our kicker with our backup quarterback using the punter as the lead blocker? It's just stupid stuff like that that makes it hard to envision him having success
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:11 pm to PrisonMike
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Not to be adversarial, but I'm not sure how you measure credit. We've actually given Gus 5 years of salary plus a $49M parachute. That's a lot of credit.
I’m talking about the fanbase. Obviously.
You specifically for example gave him zero credit.
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And the ones that won championships also had good coaching.
Well he had two years where he won a championship.
This is part of what I’m talking about. You completely discredit his two good years because he had good players. But you also have to have coaching to get to that level.
Now, he’s had more bad years than good. That’s a product of bad coaching.
I’m not trying to sit here and act like everything’s rainbows and sunshine. I’m just tired of our fanbase thinking our coach is either a genius who can do no wrong or a dumbass that can’t tie his shoes. There’s lots of room in between.
I’m tired of Gus’ frick ups but I can still recognize where he’s had success.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:13 pm to PrisonMike
quote:And I do accede to the "it's what the market will bear" argument, whenever those bemoaning Gus' salary are rebuffed.
$49M parachute
But you just know that however bad it gets this bowl season, however harsh the critics are in the Spring, and however slow we start next fall, there are moments when Kristi smiles at Gus and Gus gets all warm inside thinking about that $49M that is coming rain or shine.
I don't begrudge Gus the money, but I can't bring myself to feel sorry for him.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:22 pm to PrisonMike
It’s still funny to me that folks here will use Gus’s contract against him - as if it’s his fault that the university gave him $49 million dollars and a ridiculous buyout. I mean, someone on here earlier accused him of misusing public money
Leath has a 0% approval rate here and rightfully so in terms of athletics but the fault Gus is given for accepting a ridiculous contract is really amusing.
Leath has a 0% approval rate here and rightfully so in terms of athletics but the fault Gus is given for accepting a ridiculous contract is really amusing.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:26 pm to TheJones
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Leath has a 0% approval rate here and rightfully so in terms of athletics but the fault Gus is given for accepting a ridiculous contract is really amusing.
He didn't say he shouldn't have taken the money, he's just saying he won't feel bad for him if he gets fired because he is paid like a top level coach, and therefore expected to perform like one.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:32 pm to Skyler97
Not specifically addressing PrisonMike. He was just the last poster 
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:08 pm to TheJones
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as if it’s his fault that the university gave him $49 million dollars and a ridiculous buyout. I mean, someone on here earlier accused him of misusing public money
And if I had a contract worth 49M, you could call me brannigan or huss and I wouldn't even care.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 7:05 am to Rhino5
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Agree. The glaring problem, even more than the OC, is it appears Gus doesn't have a QB on his roster to run his offense. Maybe Cord is the guy.
I agree. Cord is our best hope to run a Run/Pass offense. Willis will only succeed I feel in a run mostly offense bc I don't think his passing ability is good enough to win in the SEC.
I other possibility is that Nix shows so much effectiveness in the spring, that He is given the keys to the offense, and we sink or swim with him...
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:18 am to AuSteeler
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Cord is our best hope to run a Run/Pass offense
Can't wait for you guys to eat crow, when you see Gatewood light it up.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:21 am to AuSteeler
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Cord is our best hope to run a Run/Pass offense.
Stop it.
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