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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:11 pm to
Posted by sbr2
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:11 pm to
On one hand, I can see the logic for legalization as weed is in the realm of alcohol for immediate intoxication effects but even more benign. On the other hand, I worry about the interaction between increasingly pure THC content and young brains that aren't fully developed.

Tying legalization to an age restriction would be pretty impossible to enforce anyways.
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:13 pm to
I dont see how they can make weed less restrictive than alcohol. Its still a high and people don't need to be working or driving with it. HOAs should ban the shite out of it because the smell is stout and can carry.
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 12:15 pm
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:25 pm to
Grist

Have no idea what grist is but couldn’t get the National highway government site to load for specifics.

Anyway the link provided mentions fatal car crashes for Black Americans being increased over 25%…

And the data I had seen previously was around a 30% increase in black persons fatal car crashes since around 2015. What goes in conjunction with that time frame legalization of weed and police turning a blind eye to “personal use” weed.

Anyway this isn’t supposed to be about a morality, lawful, or anything like that discussion. My question is what is the benefit to the student athlete to have weed not against the rules? If weed relieves your pain you ain’t that hurt or injured just and excuse to use weed. There are much better non opioid pain relievers then smoking weed
Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:33 pm to
Grist is a good site but it’s a climate change and culture focused one. Not exactly one I figured you’d use as a source lol.

But it says nothing about marijuana usage. You’re making a hell of a leap regarding causation.
Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:39 pm to
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There are much better non opioid pain relievers then smoking weed


Ironically NSAID’s are tied to anywhere from 9000 to 16000 deaths per year.
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:49 pm to
No not a site I would typically use but just point the fact out the major increase in fatalities among black drivers.

The data if I could access it and not if they are having website issues but shows the direct correlation of a major increase in black fatalities in driving accidents starting in and around 2015.

The same time period that states were starting to legalize and as I mentioned when patrol officers started turning the blind eye to “personal use” weed. So if you weren’t carry enough to be considered a dealer they didn’t give a shite. DWI or DUI can be drugs or alcohol.

So why the recent big surge in car fatalities among blacks who tend to obey traffic laws much closer then whites.
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:57 pm to
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Ironically NSAID’s are tied to anywhere from 9000 to 16000 deaths per year.


Not arguing tit for tat at all but those numbers are close to deaths caused by drinking too much water.

Just interesting ways to die I guess
Posted by LRB1967
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:58 pm to
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Much better non opioid pain relievers


Can you tell us what some of those are?
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 1:04 pm to
Sure turmeric and ginger are a couple
Posted by wareaglepete
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 1:12 pm to
I don’t believe in weed as a pain reliever. I think ibuprofen is better.

Does it have medicinal uses, sure, but not pain reliever.

It could be thought of as a pain coping mechanism. Might make you not give a crap about it for a while, but it will still be there.
Posted by metafour
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 1:45 pm to
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I’m 29, been smoking (almost every day) since I was 16. I graduated college with honors. Workout 5 days a week. Have a great job. Smoking has done nothing but helped my mental through the years.

Never had any of these psycho issues. So many of you are so wrong & misinformed


You are what is called an outlier. In fact, you are lucky considering that smoking nearly every day at an age as young as 16 poses legitimate risks of inducing mental health problems (including schizophrenia) in males. This has been proven; and it is in fact a silent contributor to the rapid spike in homelessness that has occurred since the ~2000's (when all of a sudden marijuana use became normal among youth).

Every time this topic comes up its only a matter of minutes before the addict pothead jumps in to tell you about their best friend who is a world-class neurosurgeon who it turns out rips dabs right before surgery, and he's the best damn surgeon in the entire state! Take that you haters! Oh yeah and he drives a Porsche!

As if there aren't functioning alcoholics who are lawyers, CEO's, etc. Or your grandfather who smoked two packs a day and died at 93. Again. this is what is called an outlier.

How do you even know that it has "done nothing but helped your mental"? People who smoke every day lose touch with what is even a normal or baseline state. This is always the least self-aware argument that is commonly made. Have you spent a few months without smoking to compare? This isn't a weed phenomenon either - it applies to anything that alters your brain chemistry. Caffeine, alcohol, etc, etc. A cigarette smoker eventually just grows to feel obvious physical and mental ailments as normal and muted because the human psyche is wired to do so. Weed is nefarious because it can create and heighten the negative mental states (eg: anxiety) that its users vehemently claim that they are being cured of by smoking weed (ie: anxiety increases when you are sober, getting high makes it feel "better" - conclusion: "oh wow weed is so good for anxiety! I feel less anxious when I use it!"). I don't even understand the "it makes me feel better" argument: any drug will make you feel better...which is why its tempting to use them in the first place. If you are nervous before a job interview, a shot or two of alcohol will calm you as well - does that make liquor a mental health aid?

I have nothing against adults using the substance, but save me the fallacies and "magical plant" arguments. Even the comparisons to alcohol are weak arguments: anyone with logic would perceive someone who wakes up every day and gets buzzed before lunchtime and then drunk after dinner before going to sleep an addict who needs help. But the weed-crowd wants to pretend like doing the same but subbing alcohol with weed is somehow "therapeutic" LOL. If its so harmless, why do you have to do it every day?
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 1:48 pm to
meta has officially checked back in
Posted by wareaglepete
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 2:36 pm to
Why do you assume anyone who speaks of usage positives as an “addict pothead”?
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 4:04 pm to
Let’s ask the real question is the NCAA supposed to protect and build up athletes to be great contributors to society or not?

It’s as simple as that.

No self respecting school is ok with weed. Either right or wrong. No company with any standards whatsoever allows weed use. Whether that be the right or wrong.

So the NCAA along with the university system about developing productive members of society or not?

That’s the simple questions. Opinions can vary. Me personally don’t think weed or alcohol contribute to a healthy society. Especially when used in enormous amounts or on a daily basis.
Posted by LanierSpots
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 6:00 pm to
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Let’s ask the real question is the NCAA supposed to protect and build up athletes to be great contributors to society or not?

It’s as simple as that.

No self respecting school is ok with weed. Either right or wrong. No company with any standards whatsoever allows weed use. Whether that be the right or wrong.




Yall done made me agree with Corch. Oh lawd.







I dont care how many can get medical uses out of it or how many here can manage their usage and go about their day. People will abuse it and It is just not a good thing to do for society. We are dumbasses who just have zero self control and adding another legal substance will just multiply the issues we are all ready with other substances


And there is no way a college, who's main goal is to raise up the youth should be OK with its students burning.




Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 6:04 pm to
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Yall done made me agree with Corch. Oh lawd.


You were already there lol. He’s just spelling out a prohibition position you agree with.
Posted by Bigbens42
Trussvegas
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 6:08 pm to
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Let’s ask the real question is the NCAA supposed to protect and build up athletes to be great contributors to society or not?


Does marijuana usage automatically make you unable to contribute to society? I don’t think it does, any more than the acceptable drug that is alcohol.

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No self respecting school is ok with weed. Either right or wrong. No company with any standards whatsoever allows weed use. Whether that be the right or wrong.


My opinion on that is that it stems from societal inertia. It’s ok to drink your drug but no smoke it, apparently.

quote:

So the NCAA along with the university system about developing productive members of society or not?


Again, begging the question/assuming the answer. Is use the same as abuse? Does marijuana use automatically render you useless to society?

Posted by wareaglepete
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 6:55 pm to
Lanier, you can keep your nanny state. I’d rather live free and navigate the crapshow. You have a thought out view and opinion on this and that it should be governed and not left up to the person. What will you do when the mobs don’t agree with something you do and have it governed and out of your control?

The schools and the NCAA? Do we really think they care about anything other than money? If you do, enjoy your happy naive existence. I’m almost jealous.
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 6:56 pm
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 7:30 pm to
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Does marijuana use automatically render you useless to society?
That's a big part of the problem.

All because we have drunks making the laws. And drunks deciding who's going to jail. And drunks in threads like this one who want to play God with other peoples lives.

All because it's they who can't handle themselves appropriately and so they have forced others to make up for their short comings. Truth be told I'd much rather have an employee show up for work after a long night of THC use, because they'll still give you a good days work. While that jerk would downed too much alcohol is doing nothing less than stealing with their reduced productivity, their diminished of mental clarity, and their outright slacker unprofessionalism.

Which one do you think has the biggest impact on profits. (ie. harms the bottom line the most)?

Lest we forget which one causes the most harm to our bodies?
And which one tears apart more marriages?
And one which causes the most wrecks?

And it's asinine to try comparing the damages. ...because one's so much more detrimental.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 6:23 am
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 7:37 pm to
Has nothing to do with governance. Or rights. Y’all are rolling this ruling by the ncaa into something it isn’t.

Like I said before the question is what is the NCAA and the University system’s for?

I personally don’t care what someone does that doesn’t affect me but we are talking about an organization. Not the government.

But on a personal level I don’t want to be around someone drinking nor do I want to be around anyone smoking weed. I don’t want to share a road with either. Nor do I want anyone harmed by the misuse of any of them and the government shouldn’t be involved except in incidents such as law enforcement. Example DUI

And to answer the question about of contributing to society… if you’re a drunk regardless of how you carry yourself in public view there are skeletons that come out, same as getting high each day.
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