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re: Let’s talk about 2019/2020 basketball team

Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:45 pm to
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:45 pm to
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Some people think degrees from Auburn are a good thing


Honestly, it’s about time we got into a boardwide discussion on the value of an auburn degree. It’s been too long
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:19 am to
Do people think Harper is going to leave early to play in China or the G-League? I love Jared, but he won't get drafted
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
7910 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:10 am to
Yeah no one is saying he’s gonna get drafted. Doesn’t mean he can’t make good money playing ball though and he’s got the fire in him to work his way into the league eventually with the right breaks
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:39 am to
I’m beginning to think Jared May actually make an NBA roster- eventually.

He is undersized, but one more year of college ball could help him.

JH seems like a guy who has a chip on his shoulder.

“Where there’s a will, there’s a way” is an AU proverb that Jared embodies.
Posted by thirdlawson
Nashville
Member since Oct 2011
8619 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:41 am to
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Do people think Harper is going to leave early to play in China or the G-League? I love Jared, but he won't get drafted




They play pro ball all over the world...
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:58 am to
Obviously. Point stands, unless he's going to get drafted then I don't think he would leave early, and it doesn't look like he will be drafted
Posted by au4you
Alabama
Member since Dec 2010
2529 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:57 am to
Anyyone know if Jared is on tack to graduate early? I can see him staying to get his degree and eventually returning to be a grad assistant. He will be a hell of a coach once his playing days are over.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
7910 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:06 am to
Staying a year isn’t going to improve his draft stock, he’s almost proven everything he can at the college level.. or at least to the point of diminishing returns where taking his chances in G League/overseas is worth it.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:24 am to
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or at least to the point of diminishing returns where taking his chances in G League/overseas is worth it.


I can't disagree with this statement more.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
7910 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:28 am to
That’s fine, just know that your opinion is likely wrong. Even if he improved to Isaiah Thomas level numbers from his junior year at Washington, his draft stock wouldn’t take a big leap. IT was taken with the final pick in the draft which is effectively not being drafted
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:30 am to
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That’s fine, just know that your opinion is likely wrong.



Please explain then why leaving early with the only intent is to play overseas is worth it?

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Even if he improved to Isaiah Thomas level numbers from his junior year at Washington, his draft stock wouldn’t take a big leap. IT was taken with the final pick in the draft which is effectively not being drafted



Yea, this isn't even remotely why i'm disagreeing with you. I don't think he has a chance of being drafted now or if he stays.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
7910 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:34 am to
Maybe I should have clarified, I meant taking his chances with the intent to make it to the NBA by proving himself in G League/overseas
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:40 am to
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I meant taking his chances with the intent to make it to the NBA by proving himself in G League/overseas


Then i'll revert back to my original post. I cannot disagree more that if that is your path you are going to try and take, that leaving early is even remotely worth it.

Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
7910 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:41 am to
Are you going to elaborate?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:50 am to
For starters, the likelihood of actually making it into the NBA from that route is not really any better than staying another year, so I disagree that leaving early to do so will do anything to improve his ability to get into the NBA at some point. The exposure he will get via college basketball is infinitely better than what he'd get in any of those leagues. His best long term aspirations are going to be playing professionally in another country. I love Jared and hope he can make an NbA roster at some point, I just don't see it. He may not be able to improve his NBA stock staying another year, but he can absolutely improve his stock for the other professional years by staying another year, especially if he can get some conference/ncaa awards and recognition.

Now, if you want to try and go the financial route, we can certainly entertain that, but he won't be making shite in any of those leagues. So I would still absolutely value what Auburn is providing for him + the value of a degree + the publicity/marketing he will receive from Auburn are more valuable than whatever he gets paid his first year in the g league or an overseas pro league.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 11:52 am
Posted by thirdlawson
Nashville
Member since Oct 2011
8619 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:00 pm to
I wouldn't care if it was only $90K/yr...

I'll take that to play basketball for a few months a year as a living.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
7910 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:03 pm to
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The exposure he will get via college basketball


That's kinda my point. He's already received the exposure necessary to get you to the next level, and has shown what he can do at the college level. Unless he all of the sudden started finishing at an above average rate at the rim (unlikely to happen in one offseason) his stock can no longer be helped at the college level. Might as well go make some money and try to improve with more games and focusing full time on basketball since he's already received the exposure aspect, which is ultimately the only thing college hoops offers over G League/Europe.

By the way I say all this on the hearsay knowledge that Jared can graduate this summer if he wants to, as there is certainly value in a college degree as you mentioned.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:41 pm to
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That's kinda my point. He's already received the exposure necessary to get you to the next level, and has shown what he can do at the college level. Unless he all of the sudden started finishing at an above average rate at the rim (unlikely to happen in one offseason) his stock can no longer be helped at the college level. Might as well go make some money and try to improve with more games and focusing full time on basketball since he's already received the exposure aspect, which is ultimately the only thing college hoops offers over G League/Europe.


You think he's reached his max exposure and ceiling when it comes to how he is viewed by Europe and other pro leagues? Really? You don't think another dominant year at Auburn, maybe another good SEC/NCAA run wouldn't help his negotiations when it comes to signing with a professional European league team?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:45 pm to
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I wouldn't care if it was only $90K/yr...

I'll take that to play basketball for a few months a year as a living.



I wouldn't mind that either. If that is the goal though, it would be silly to leave early just for that.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
7910 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:58 pm to
I’ve not said he’s reached his max exposure.. but he has gotten fairly close to it, yes. 2 NCAAT’s + Maui + All-Conference honors.. if you’re a scout and you’re either here or overseas and you need a point guard.. Harper is plenty enough on the radar for you to find with very little effort. Another similar year even with some improvement isn’t going to change that, even if it technically does increase his exposure.

As I said, it’s dimininshing returns. Is another full year of being a student for *maybe* a limited increase in exposure and not being paid worth more than working full time on being a basketball player in a better league while being paid, but not getting the limited increase in exposure? I think so. I think Jared does as well.
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