re: If Auburn destroys playoff hopes for UGA and UA in the coming weeks

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Jimbo is a great example of a coach not meeting the expectations

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That's the great thing about expectations, we adjust them based on a variety of factors, and salary is just one of those factors. When you pay someone big money you expect big results. I wouldn't hire a contractor to remodel a kitchen for $25-$35K and not expect good results. On the other hand, you can also pay Gus the average SEC salary, but if consistently is in the top 10 and winning 10-11 games each year, then you adjust your expectations to match it.

I’m guessing that by labeling my reasonable and simple question as “stupidity” that you’re unwilling to answer. I’m guessing you’re unwilling to do so because you’re afraid of how I’ll use your answer? That’s too bad. I’m not trying to dupe you.

I just like to know these things. Contract size doesn’t heavily influence my expectations considering the coach was a known quantity prior to the new contract. I do know that my expectations wouldn’t drop if our coach made more or less.

I do understand your point - our school gave a coach a contract that puts him roughly in the top 7% of head coach salaries and therefor they’ve set expectations there.

But who does that reflect on? The school, the fans, or the coach? I’m arguing that the school royally screwed up by placing that expectation on a coach that they were probably sure couldn’t match it.

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2017 is such a weird case to use for both "sides." Sure, we were quite close to the playoff, and solidly beat two top teams to get there. But we went from arguably the best team in the country to perhaps an unranked-level team in the span of a couple of weeks.

Having such a thin margin for error has to be on Gus. I will acknowledge that any team at the top will often have a tiny margin for error to stay on top, but the fall should be much smaller than what we experienced.

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IMO the easiest and most obvious critique of Gus is how poorly and awkwardly his players develop. I realize every kid doesn't pan out, but Gus seems to miss spectacularly.

Case in point: Big Cat and TD aren't what we'd hope them to be but RG is still finding some production from them. With Marlon, Brown, Russell, TT, etc...in the same time period you can forgive the short comings of 2 players.

However, Gus could walk to Texas A&M on the backs without touching the ground of highly touted offensive players who we got zero production from...not even average results ala Big Cat and TD. Why does our approach to coaching and player develop get so little out of and strike out so often on the offensive side of the ball?

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But the economist in Jones is about to say something clever I’m sure.

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Turns out I was essentially agreeing with you.

Some of you are so conditioned to argue that you’re unable to recognize when someone is agreeing with you. You’d rather back yourself into a corner and hurl insults than risk saying something that will be used against you. It was just an honest question and it didn’t matter how you answered Just curious

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How many different teams have been in the playoffs since it started?

5 playoffs = 20 possible teams

Seems there's only been like 8 teams that have made the playoffs so far.

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This. And if we played in any other conference or even the SEC East, we'd have been in the playoff at least once now.

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I’m guessing that by labeling my reasonable and simple question as “stupidity” that you’re unwilling to answer.

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It’s pretty obvious from his 8-5 seasons that we didn’t get any return from our investment. I’m sure 8-5 can be achieved with Bill Clark money as a matter of fact.

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Contract size doesn’t heavily influence my expectations considering the coach was a known quantity prior to the new contract.

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He wasn’t a known quantity at all. He was on the hot seat just a month prior. He had one anomaly season and then regression started.

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I do understand your point - our school gave a coach a contract that puts him roughly in the top 7% of head coach salaries and therefor they’ve set expectations there.

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Good, we found some common ground although I still believe expectations should drive the salary and not vice versa.

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t who does that reflect on? The school, the fans, or the coach? I’m arguing that the school royally screwed up by placing that expectation on a coach that they were probably sure couldn’t match it.

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The school was manipulating the market with unlikely met expectations and high earnings as though they are the second indivisible hand in the coaching market. It reflects on the school (2 people). He didn’t deserve the contract nor the protection from termination. It was a bad contract. Nobody could argue that expectations were any higher, or that things were going to get better after the contract. Yet, he’s still paid as though the expectations are not only higher, but being met.

And then assholes like Josh Vitale says “Be Grateful!”

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5 playoffs = 20 possible teams

Seems there's only been like 8 teams that have made the playoffs so far.

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Dominating an easy schedule has proven to be the easiest path to the playoffs.

In 5 years we’ve had 10 different teams in the CFP.

Alabama x 5
Clemson x 4
Oklahoma x 3
Ohio State x 2
Oregon, FSU, UW, UGA, ND, Sparty x 1

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You always use this. You even said it when you tried to tell me Groce was high up our LB board. You sounded like a smart arse with the “or do you need to clarify,” and so I reciprocated.

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I used it when I was agreeing with you about the lack of altitude advantage that NMST was going to have going into that game in Utah.

FWIW, I was wrong on Groce. I was told he was going to commit by a guy that works for a school that was previously recruiting him. Just bad info from a guy that I don’t seek info from anymore. But I don’t think that conversation involved me agreeing with you at any point. I was in strict disagreement

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used it when I was agreeing with you about the lack of altitude advantage that NMST was going to have going into that game in Utah.

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???
So apparently you use it a lot although I don’t remember that time.

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But I don’t think that conversation involved me agreeing with you at any point. I was in strict disagreement

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I remember.