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re: I think we might be overreacting

Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:10 am to
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49987 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:10 am to
Chad Kelly and Bo Wallace were not afraid of throwing picks.

JA does throw couple interceptable balls a game but you can see he either doesnt trust the receiver to break where he is supposed to go or he refuses to throw until he is 1 second past wide open.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20227 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:20 am to
Freeze needs to spend more time coaching and less time on the golf simulator. That move is beyond repair. The shaft is ridiculously verticals and it’s a miracle he can even touch the ball with the club.

Give the MF’er his 16 million so he can get some lessons. I’m tired of third and 11.

If he plays in a member guest this weekend, he should be fired for cause.
Posted by pdfield34
Member since Aug 2022
562 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:37 am to
I'm guessing nearly every play he must choose run or pass.

Then the chosen pass plays have multiple option routes.

Has to be exhausting. Nearly impossible with a questionable offensive line.
And I'm sure the wide outs aren't rocket scientists.

I question, even at Ole Miss how many times the the QB makes the perfect read and the wide outs are on the same same page. Seems like a lot of luck and back yard ball to me. Chad Kelly and Bo Wallace were both "gun slingers" and weren't afraid to go balls out running the ball, making up for broken plays.
Posted by AUTubaHerd
Member since Nov 2012
2834 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:15 am to
quote:

For the "OL is fine" crew


O-line has “the clap”.

Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49987 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:46 am to
Damn he said exactly my thoughts about Gus as well.

6 minute mark to 9:00 minute roughly
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44847 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 9:23 am to
Its hard to disagree with RD here
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39580 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 9:37 am to
I love that we are back in the same conversation of making the HC give up playcalling duties or force him to hire an OC. It is true Auburn fans never learn

Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
17344 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:05 am to
We see there are problems. Everyone knows it. Everyone may not agree on the minutiae of it, but we all agree there are big problems. OL, QB, coaching, routes, etc.

Here is the big question, Does anyone think this is something that can be fixed now, already 5 games into a season? I don't know that you can. Maybe. But you are going to have to give up time during the week that you need to be focusing on game prep and devote it to basics that should have been instilled back in the summer and before.

Just seems a tall order. Maybe they can start fixing everything. That is if the coaches are even capable of coaching the players like they need be.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49987 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:31 am to
The biggest problem is Freeze cannot blame incompetence on the roster so when his units look foolish blame has to point right back to him.

The Virginia Tech LT had no more than 4 penalties per season until this one. Now he has 10. Deep regression across the board and Freeze can only blame himself.

Say no to the lame duck.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3588 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

I still think we could get to 8-4 but other teams would need to regress while we improve.


I agree. I think 7-5 or 8-4 is still very doable.

It’s funny to me that the general consensus among fans was that Auburn was likely heading towards an 8-4 type of season…. And yet most would have also told you that the back-to-back road games in Norman and College Station might very well be our toughest games to win on the schedule.

Anyone could look at the schedule and see that a 3-3 start was not only possible, but probably likely. And yet here we are and folks act like they were blindsided.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53586 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Anyone could look at the schedule and see that a 3-3 start was not only possible, but probably likely. And yet here we are and folks act like they were blindsided.


This is too broad a brush.

It's not the record that makes people upset.

It's the debacles of the past two games - most notably the AM game where we look dysfunctional on offense and even special teams at times
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6580 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

Anyone could look at the schedule and see that a 3-3 start was not only possible, but probably likely. And yet here we are and folks act like they were blindsided.


Total rushing yards in BOTH games: 119
Total passing yards in BOTH games: 345

Both of OU and A&M's defenses gave up 200+ yard rushing against Temple and Utah State, respectively, by the way.

We converted three TOTAL third downs in two games.

We were blindsided. We thought we had an offense. And 7 wins is a stretch. 8?
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3588 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

This is too broad a brush. It's not the record that makes people upset. It's the debacles of the past two games - most notably the AM game where we look dysfunctional on offense and even special teams at times


But see I think throwing the whole season into the line of fire is too broad of a brush…. Not when it’s really been just one horrific performance.

Auburn greatly exceeded expectations against Baylor. We met very high expectations against Ball State. The performance against USA was nothing spectacular but also completely acceptable.

As for the Oklahoma game, Auburn had the lead in the 4th quarter. Auburn had more first downs than OU… only 16 fewer total yards, and if not for a 24-yard TD being erroneously given to OU, would have outgained them in yardage and it would have evened the score…. That doesn’t even count the scoop and score that was called back. People like to complain about our lack of rushing yards, but we actually outgained the Sooners on the ground that day.

Considering the bad calls that went against us, Auburn’s overall performance in Norman was not only acceptable… it was good enough to win the game at a team currently ranked #6 had the officials called a fair game.

What everyone is up in arms about is one horrific performance on the road at a Top 5 opponent.

Was the offensive performance in College Station acceptable? Absolutely not. But I think it’s completely appropriate to consider that performance an outlier considering the team’s overall performance as a whole for the first four games was at or above most preseason expectations.

The broad brush that is being used is the one painting the entire season as a disaster when 80% of the games thus far have been completely acceptable.

I’m willing to give this team and staff a few more games before I choose to flip out and demand the entire program be razed to the ground and built back from scratch.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 2:45 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49987 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:51 pm to
I can tell you and I will never get along.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
34741 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:04 pm to
You're not even trying to be genuine. We gave up 10 sacks against Oklahoma and had probably 10 more penalties on the OL. That's embarrassing. Even still everyone was pretty much willing to acknowledge the officiating and the possibliity that OU had an elite front 7.

What we saw at Texas AM was absolute rock bottom in every way offensively. Gameplan, execution, adjustments, playcalling, QB, OL, WR, every aspect an F. The fact that our defense played out of their minds the last two weeks and kept the scores close doesn't excuse the offensive performance of our offensive minded head coach.

These issues go back to his entire tenure here. Somehow the more talent he accumulates the worse the results get. Everybody wanted to put it all on Throne but now he's gone and we are markedly worse. You say A&M was the fluke, Baylor was the fluke. They obviously weren't ready for the QB run every play and once that got put on film it was shut down immediately and we have no answer. We are back in the 3 headed QB, whirly bird days of desperation on offense. The TE screen to the slowest human to ever put on an Auburn uniform was the saddest individual play since Chandler Cox channeled his inner Baryshnikov.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4344 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:18 pm to
This team has outright regressed offensively from year 1 despite considerably more talent on the filed. The regression also came after Freeze threw his OC under the bus (Montgomery) and took over play-calling. There is nothing to be said here.

A forgotten part in all this is that the offensive cracks actually didn't happen at Oklahoma - they started the week prior when we got completely shut out in the second half against South Alabama at home. They scored just 3 points in the second half, and the cope at the time was that we were just "trying out new plays".

The Baylor game is very easy to evaluate: Baylor simply completely messed up in their game-plan. They clearly got spooked by all of the offseason talk about our WR's and 5-star Jackson Arnold coming in and spent the entire game playing back and trying to make sure that the receivers didn't burn them. This was clearly a mistake, as USA, OU, and A&M proved. Nobody else is going to play us the way Baylor did.
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
3570 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:21 pm to
Maybe you can explain this: Texas A&M was known to have a very bad run defense. So, whoever comes up with our offensive gameplan and strategy specifically avoids running the ball. Make it make sense.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 6:55 pm
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3588 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

You're not even trying to be genuine.


What did I say that was incorrect? They are literally stats.

quote:

We gave up 10 sacks against Oklahoma and had probably 10 more penalties on the OL.


I never claimed every aspect of the game was flawless. But as a whole, the performance against Oklahoma… considering the caliber of the opponent as well as the venue… was completely acceptable.

18 first downs to OU’s 16.

JA was 21/33 for 220 yards passing… with a TD and no INT’s. He had a better QB rating in the game than the current Heisman front runner.

Taking away the sacks, our offense managed 123 yards on the ground for 5.1 yards/carry. Even with the sacks, we outgained OU on the ground.

Yes, penalties were a problem. We did however have fewer penalty yards than OU.

Like I said, it wasn’t a perfect showing, but as a whole it was an overall acceptable performance.

quote:

What we saw at Texas AM was absolute rock bottom in every way offensively.


Yes. As I said. But we’re talking one performance out of five game so far… coming on the road for the second consecutive week in a hostile environment. I’m willing to look at that abysmal game as the outlier of the season… mainly because it is.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 3:32 pm
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
34741 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:40 pm to
1. You need to learn what a fact is. This is the second time you've erroneously claimed this.

2. You are being disingenuous by pretending like this is all about one game and not about a 2.5 season body of work.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4344 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

I’m willing to look at that abysmal game as the outlier of the season… mainly because it is.


Stop lying.

The last 10 quarters of football for this offense (2.5 games):

USA Q3: 3 points
USA Q4: 0 points
OU Q1: 3 points
OU Q2: 7 points
OU Q3: 0 points
OU Q4: 7 points
A&M Q1: 0 points
A&M Q2: 3 points
A&M Q3: 0 points
A&M Q4: 7 points (including this is in fact a complete gift - the defense returned the ball 70+ yards to the 2 yard line and the offense fell their way into the endzone).

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