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I have a very bad feeling about the Gus hire
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:23 am
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:23 am
The more and more I think about this hire, the more I believe it is going to blow up in Auburns face. I really can not grasp what happened with the coaching search.
I can understand if there were more issues with Bobby Patrino than we know. If that was the case. It would be a very controversial hire for everyone except the Auburn fans who just want to win period.
I understand why Jimbo would not want to leave FSU'
I just dont understand why Kirby Smart, or Gary Patterson would not be liable choices. Better choices actually.
It really sounds like they knew who they were going to hire all along and the coaching search / committee was just a front.
Im trying to get on board but I keep getting thrown off the bus. I am sure it will be good for offensive recruiting but like most of you, the other side of the ball is where I am concerned. Has Auburn totally given up on being a defensive team again? That is our history..
I can understand if there were more issues with Bobby Patrino than we know. If that was the case. It would be a very controversial hire for everyone except the Auburn fans who just want to win period.
I understand why Jimbo would not want to leave FSU'
I just dont understand why Kirby Smart, or Gary Patterson would not be liable choices. Better choices actually.
It really sounds like they knew who they were going to hire all along and the coaching search / committee was just a front.
Im trying to get on board but I keep getting thrown off the bus. I am sure it will be good for offensive recruiting but like most of you, the other side of the ball is where I am concerned. Has Auburn totally given up on being a defensive team again? That is our history..
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:40 am to LanierSpots
Petrino was never a candidate.
Smart was offered, wanted full control and coach BCS game, we said no, he turned it down.
Offered Malzahn and he said yes. Unanimous decision, countless hours of analyzing candidates and the best fit for Auburn bull shite.
Smart was offered, wanted full control and coach BCS game, we said no, he turned it down.
Offered Malzahn and he said yes. Unanimous decision, countless hours of analyzing candidates and the best fit for Auburn bull shite.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:54 am to LanierSpots
nah man this is gonna work great
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:12 am to Gnar Cat21
We needed a culture change and did not get it.
According to Scarbo Kirby Smart (and I am sure most other coaches wanted the same thing) wanted 3 things.
1. To know about the NCAA investigation
2. To coach the bowl game
3. To have control over the program and to be able to hire his own assistant coaches and staff.
It is obvious Auburn did not have a problem with coaching the bowl game because Gus is coaching his bowl game. They shared the info on the NCAA investigation because Gus answered questions about it during the press conference.
So the hangup was giving the coach control over the program. JJ and crew do not hire the best coach they can find. They hire the best coach they can control.
Until JJ is gone and we have a AD who allows the coach to run the program we are only going to get the type of coaches willing to be controlled.
According to Scarbo Kirby Smart (and I am sure most other coaches wanted the same thing) wanted 3 things.
1. To know about the NCAA investigation
2. To coach the bowl game
3. To have control over the program and to be able to hire his own assistant coaches and staff.
It is obvious Auburn did not have a problem with coaching the bowl game because Gus is coaching his bowl game. They shared the info on the NCAA investigation because Gus answered questions about it during the press conference.
So the hangup was giving the coach control over the program. JJ and crew do not hire the best coach they can find. They hire the best coach they can control.
Until JJ is gone and we have a AD who allows the coach to run the program we are only going to get the type of coaches willing to be controlled.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:16 am to bird35
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We needed a culture change and did not get it.
This is all you needed to say
Because that one line sums it up 10000000000%
We are back to 2009
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:17 am to bird35
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It is obvious Auburn did not have a problem with coaching the bowl game because Gus is coaching his bowl game. They shared the info on the NCAA investigation because Gus answered questions about it during the press conference.
Kirby coaching the bowl is in now waysimilar to Gus. There is no way in hell we are letting our future head coach help our most hated rival from the biggest rivalry in CFB win another national championship. Are you retarded?
The information about the NCAA was obviously shared with Gus after he accepted the job. You don't just not tell your new head coach about NCAA information. Also, he answered the question by saying he isn't worried at all. How do you want him to answer that? "Ah shucks, we are fricked even though they haven't found anything yet"
Who we retain on staff is probably a key issue amongst our AD so fair point.
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Culture Change
This is something all the players on the team I know have talked about and how they don't think Gus will bring it
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 7:19 am
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:23 am to GenesChin
Will not bring a culture change? That's comforting
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:30 am to Gnar Cat21
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Will not bring a culture change? That's comforting
I may be proved wrong but Gus does not seem line a disciplinarian...
I really hope I am wrong about him but I believe the kids will run all over him. He will need some strong willed assistants,
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:31 am to LanierSpots
Reuben Foster and Dee Liner have come out and said they're both committed.
If we keep them and Dee Liner and the other commits and add a few when we get a new coordinator then it'll be better than any defensive class we've ever signed.
I'd say we're alright on defense for right now. Just got to get that coach and keep the commits.
If we keep them and Dee Liner and the other commits and add a few when we get a new coordinator then it'll be better than any defensive class we've ever signed.
I'd say we're alright on defense for right now. Just got to get that coach and keep the commits.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:31 am to LanierSpots
Well I didn't think he would bring much of a culture change but I sure as hell was holding out hope, I guess
If its true some of the players already don't think gus is the right man, we truly are fricked
If its true some of the players already don't think gus is the right man, we truly are fricked
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:36 am to Gnar Cat21
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If its true some of the players already don't think gus is the right man, we truly are fricked
They really won't know until spring practice starts up. Right now the guys I talk to all are worried but willing to give him a shot.
How he deals with team discipline and accountability will determine if they will buy and we won't know for a few months
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:39 am to LanierSpots
Culture in an organization always goes from the top down. It's not just words or a collection of rules and mission statements. It's actions, deeds, and leadership. Culture does not eminate from the offensive coordinator. It comes from the CEO.
Any and all blame for a divisive culture at Auburn with its football team have to be laid at the feet of Eugene Chizik. One could also lay such blame with JJ as well.
Any and all blame for a divisive culture at Auburn with its football team have to be laid at the feet of Eugene Chizik. One could also lay such blame with JJ as well.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:39 am to bird35
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Until JJ is gone and we have a AD who allows the coach to run the program we are only going to get the type of coaches willing to be controlled.
I agree JJ needs to go because he cant hire for shite but look what the hell can this guy be controlling in the football program? It wasnt his fault Chiz was meddleing, cant develop talent and not a good coach. Its his fault for hiring him. I just dont buy that these people "control". That doesnt even make sense. JJ played for Auburn, I dont think he wants us to lose many games.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:50 am to AUtigerNOLA
The only complain I have about this hire, is that its similiar to his last one. Except I might like Gus more. I am really just pissed JJ and crew couldn't hire an already proven coach given what happened with Chizik. Thats scary. But they wanted Malzahn, so now we got him. Nothing I can do now but think that our offense will be better. I just really miss a tough Auburn defense. And it seems JJ took that away from us once TT left town.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:56 am to LanierSpots
at this point, the search is over. How we got to this point is irrelevant and will have no bearing on Malzahn's performance as a HC.
I think this can work out, but there are obvious issues that will have to be addressed... the next four months are crucial for this program -- put together a well-rounded staff, winter S&C program, NSD, and spring practice.
I think this can work out, but there are obvious issues that will have to be addressed... the next four months are crucial for this program -- put together a well-rounded staff, winter S&C program, NSD, and spring practice.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:57 am to GenesChin
Here is a post I read on ITAT.
I can recall seeing Gus standing over Cam Newton while he was doing up-downs for doing something wrong in practice. Keep in mind this was when Cam was just a couple weeks away from winning the Heisman. He was the new Tebow, he was Johnny Football before Johnny Football, THE story nationally - and not just off the field...and Gus has him doing up-downs for poor technique (or whatever).
If there was ever a guy to be labeled a "favorite", that was the guy. If there was ever a time for a coach to back off, that was the time. But no, there he is with his face in the grass like a nasty ole lineman ("two more, Cam!").
I recall thinking I wish all the young kids out there could see this. They see the smile and the big plays when he is in the spotlight, but they don't see his coach jumping down his throat when he does something wrong just like their coach does them.
I can recall seeing Gus standing over Cam Newton while he was doing up-downs for doing something wrong in practice. Keep in mind this was when Cam was just a couple weeks away from winning the Heisman. He was the new Tebow, he was Johnny Football before Johnny Football, THE story nationally - and not just off the field...and Gus has him doing up-downs for poor technique (or whatever).
If there was ever a guy to be labeled a "favorite", that was the guy. If there was ever a time for a coach to back off, that was the time. But no, there he is with his face in the grass like a nasty ole lineman ("two more, Cam!").
I recall thinking I wish all the young kids out there could see this. They see the smile and the big plays when he is in the spotlight, but they don't see his coach jumping down his throat when he does something wrong just like their coach does them.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:59 am to marshallcotiger
I have been wondering if part of the reason Gus sold the search committee is that he realized the discipline and accountability problems when he left and he may be able to fix them if he has that intention
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:04 am to GenesChin
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I have been wondering if part of the reason Gus sold the search committee is that he realized the discipline and accountability problems when he left and he may be able to fix them if he has that intention
He must have I guess. Gus is a very intense coach. But this is still an unknown IMO if he can instill strong discipline at Auburn.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 8:05 am
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:26 am to LanierSpots
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It really sounds like they knew who they were going to hire all along and the coaching search / committee was just a front.
This is what I feel as well. Good Ole Boy network.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:30 am to marshallcotiger
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Here is a post I read on ITAT. I can recall seeing Gus standing over Cam Newton while he was doing up-downs for doing something wrong in practice. Keep in mind this was when Cam was just a couple weeks away from winning the Heisman. He was the new Tebow, he was Johnny Football before Johnny Football, THE story nationally - and not just off the field...and Gus has him doing up-downs for poor technique (or whatever). If there was ever a guy to be labeled a "favorite", that was the guy. If there was ever a time for a coach to back off, that was the time. But no, there he is with his face in the grass like a nasty ole lineman ("two more, Cam!"). I recall thinking I wish all the young kids out there could see this. They see the smile and the big plays when he is in the spotlight, but they don't see his coach jumping down his throat when he does something wrong just like their coach does them.
I remember NYC saying yesterday we would see a rash of former players and old stories coming out talking about how hard nosed malzahn was in order to make this hire seem less lack luster. Damn, he was spot on
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