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re: Hypothetical: If We Go 8-5
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:15 pm to AA7
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:15 pm to AA7
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Look at Chief’s fall from grace since leaving.
I think Chief's time has passed, and his success as a DC would begin to decline whether he was still at LSU, TAMU, or Arkansas. I think perhaps Jimbo saw this too, and it played a reason as to why he wasn't retained.
I'm banking a lot on Aranda's wit. He seems like a smart coach who knows how to adapt to new settings, whether that be Baton Rouge or potentially Auburn.
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:18 pm to Pettifogger
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But when you look purely at the results, especially since 2013, and especially considering his record against our rivals, he looks really, really replaceable.
Well stated! That's not to mention how much he gets paid and the amount of support the program has. There are coaches out there who would thrive if he were given the resources Auburn provides...the trick is finding out who that may be.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:22 pm to TTsTowel
Until the program shows that its sliding backwards, I can’t see him being replaced.
I know people expect 10+ wins every other season but I don’t find that realistic in the current SEC climate.
Gus staying above water, recruiting well, and putting together an SECCG run every 3 seasons will keep him in his seat.
I know people expect 10+ wins every other season but I don’t find that realistic in the current SEC climate.
Gus staying above water, recruiting well, and putting together an SECCG run every 3 seasons will keep him in his seat.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:02 pm to See5
quote:That, and the aforementioned $30,000,000+ it would cost AU to buy out him and his staff.
Gus staying above water, recruiting well, and putting together an SECCG run every 3 seasons will keep him in his seat.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:10 pm to See5
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Gus staying above water, recruiting well, and putting together an SECCG run every 3 seasons will keep him in his seat.
That’s not all that bad for real.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:40 pm to jangalang
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That’s not all that bad for real.
I agree that's the "metric" where it seems most reasonable to keep Gus, but arguably it doesn't tell the full story. It doesn't factor in getting completely dumped on by your rivals most years and it doesn't factor in how utterly boring and unenjoyable Auburn football has been in the "off" years.
If it were 8-5, 9-4, 11-2 (repeat) and we were still winning some big games and looked reasonably good in average years, I'd be pretty happy.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:46 pm to Pettifogger
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I agree that's the "metric" where it seems most reasonable to keep Gus, but arguably it doesn't tell the full story.
I agree. I was being little tongue in cheek lol but yeah it’s superficially not a bad scenario if you don’t take in account how underwhelming the other two years are.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:51 pm to COAUTiger
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Gus will need to hire a real OC at some point if he wants to succeed at Auburn.
This is the exact problem with the situation. Gus Malzahn has never experienced professional failure in coaching. He soared up the ranks from high school to the top of college football in a relatively short amount of time using HIS offense. He has never had to adjust to it not working, so he just keeps running the same plays right into the defense. He talks about adjustments and play calling duties every year, but it is the exact same offense every year.
Meanwhile, football in general (college and pro) has evolved into a quick read intermediate passing attack that sets up the run as well as the downfield passing game. We have NO intermediate passing game... NONE. LBs don't even bother covering the middle of the field, because we refuse exploit that void. Will Hastings and Eli Stove should be wearing LBs out running routes in the middle of the field 5 to 10 yards of the LOS. I also think Bo Nix is the perfect QB to throw it to them... smart, accurate and very quick release.
I honestly believe Gus will eventually be a very good head coach. I just don't think he gets there until after AU fires him.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:17 pm to WillyB99
Many of the post have brought up good points, and I agree with many of those.
I just wanted to get a little deeper than "Fire Gus, Hire Stoops/Myers/Belichick/Vince Lombardi" talk. Folks need to realize there are limitations and consequences when talk of firing a coach.
Many of those UGA losses make me mentally lose it thinking about them. I am usually calling to fire him after those games
TT - I was all aboard the K Briles train. I still am, but some of the recent 2nd half issues at FSU is interesting. But to be honest, I despise FSU so I hope those and any other issues they have continue.
WillyB99 - I am afraid you will be correct about Gus figuring it out too late for Auburn. I hope we are wrong.
I just wanted to get a little deeper than "Fire Gus, Hire Stoops/Myers/Belichick/Vince Lombardi" talk. Folks need to realize there are limitations and consequences when talk of firing a coach.
Many of those UGA losses make me mentally lose it thinking about them. I am usually calling to fire him after those games
TT - I was all aboard the K Briles train. I still am, but some of the recent 2nd half issues at FSU is interesting. But to be honest, I despise FSU so I hope those and any other issues they have continue.
WillyB99 - I am afraid you will be correct about Gus figuring it out too late for Auburn. I hope we are wrong.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:21 am to Pettifogger
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I agree that's the "metric" where it seems most reasonable to keep Gus, but arguably it doesn't tell the full story. It doesn't factor in getting completely dumped on by your rivals most years and it doesn't factor in how utterly boring and unenjoyable Auburn football has been in the "off" years.
If it were 8-5, 9-4, 11-2 (repeat) and we were still winning some big games and looked reasonably good in average years, I'd be pretty happy.
I get it. Gus has definitely dropped some important games that he really had no business losing and people are very emotionally invested on a season to season basis.
However, I don't think replacing the entire coaching staff is going to get you there. I also don't think Auburn fans should expect this program to perform on a Bama/UGA/Clemson level(in the current CFB environment at least) on a consistent basis either. That's just my opinion though. I'm sure many on here disagree and I'm fine with that.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 8:25 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:33 am to TTsTowel
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Malzahn to stay but hire a real OC
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We had our chance...
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His name is Kendall Briles.
And Jake Spavitol
And Huge Freeze
And Steve Sark
And Dan enos
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:43 am to WillyB99
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This is the exact problem with the situation. Gus Malzahn has never experienced professional failure in coaching. He soared up the ranks from high school to the top of college football in a relatively short amount of time using HIS offense. He has never had to adjust to it not working, so he just keeps running the same plays right into the defense. He talks about adjustments and play calling duties every year, but it is the exact same offense every year. Meanwhile, football in general (college and pro) has evolved into a quick read intermediate passing attack that sets up the run as well as the downfield passing game. We have NO intermediate passing game... NONE. LBs don't even bother covering the middle of the field, because we refuse exploit that void. Will Hastings and Eli Stove should be wearing LBs out running routes in the middle of the field 5 to 10 yards of the LOS. I also think Bo Nix is the perfect QB to throw it to them... smart, accurate and very quick release. I honestly believe Gus will eventually be a very good head coach. I just don't think he gets there until after AU fires him.
Amen brother, the quick passes spreading the ball around is whats taken Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma, Ohio State to new levels. Gus seems determined to "pound" the ball and throw the occasional out routes sprinkled in with a Worley bird deep post 3 times a game.
That's old school football. He will never change though that's evident by him taking back over play calling duties instead of hiring a real OC with a new philosophy.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:48 am to See5
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However, I don't think replacing the entire coaching staff is going to get you there. I also don't think Auburn fans should expect this program to perform on a Bama/UGA/Clemson level(in the current CFB environment at least) on a consistent basis either. That's just my opinion though. I'm sure many on here disagree and I'm fine with that.
I don't either (about Bama/Clemson/etc.). The one caveat I have is that Clemson is truly a comparable program/school. So while I don't think we'll ever be in the playoff every year, I do think their success shows that we can do more than 8-4 on average even with our built-in challenges.
Regarding staff change, I just question what can truly change by replacing pieces. The best way I can describe us is reactive, it just doesn't seem like Gus really "builds" anything. Part of me says "well he's got a Fr QB now, so perhaps it's about to start" but then he's had control for 6 years and we've been piecemeal/desperately trying to plug up leaks most of that time.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:42 am to Pettifogger
quote:Comparable school, perhaps, but not in a comparable conference.
The one caveat I have is that Clemson is truly a comparable program/school.
Case in point: since Clemson started their 8-year run of consecutive double-digit winning seasons in 2011, there are only 2 other ACC teams ranked in the top 30 in terms of overall winning percentage - FSU (7th) and Louisville (tied for 27th), both programs which appear to have cratered (combined 7-17 last year). They also play South Carolina (tied for 29th) every season. The next winningest program in the ACC is VPI at #36.
Contrast that with AU, who has played the #1 (Bama), #8 (UGa), #9 (LSU) and #26 (TAMU) every single year.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:51 am to AUtigR24
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And Steve Sark
And Dan enos
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:52 am to FearlessFreep
Fair enough, but account for that and Clemson is still putting together substantially better seasons, don't you think? Meaning, there is certainly room for considerable improvement and Auburn need not be satisfied with 8-4/7-5 type stuff even acknowledging that consistent 11/12 win seasons aren't realistic.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 12:01 pm to AUtigR24
I don't think we could have hired K Briles or H Freeze with the controversy surrounding them.
Keep in mind most of the country considered us a "dirty" program even though we have not been on probation in almost 30 years. Even fellow SEC members who have been on probation since then (even multiple offenders) still consider Auburn a dirty program.
Just throwing this out there - another potential OC could be Mike Bobo. His offenses at CSU look really good but that defense is consistently awful and may be his demise.
Regarding Clemson - similar situation in not being the state school and still close to some heavy recruiters, they did have an easier road to success in their conference. And success breeds success.
Speaking of Clemson, how would you react if Auburn hired a position coach? We have talked about hiring other coaches and successful coordinators (although that doesn't seem to be a popular choice, at all).
Keep in mind most of the country considered us a "dirty" program even though we have not been on probation in almost 30 years. Even fellow SEC members who have been on probation since then (even multiple offenders) still consider Auburn a dirty program.
Just throwing this out there - another potential OC could be Mike Bobo. His offenses at CSU look really good but that defense is consistently awful and may be his demise.
Regarding Clemson - similar situation in not being the state school and still close to some heavy recruiters, they did have an easier road to success in their conference. And success breeds success.
Speaking of Clemson, how would you react if Auburn hired a position coach? We have talked about hiring other coaches and successful coordinators (although that doesn't seem to be a popular choice, at all).
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 12:05 pm
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