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re: Hypothetical: If We Go 8-5
Posted on 9/10/19 at 5:10 pm to AUtigR24
Posted on 9/10/19 at 5:10 pm to AUtigR24
Unless we go 7-6 Gus aint going nowhere regardless of what the offense looks like. There are very few coaches who could take a freshman QB and our team and go better than 8-5 or 9-4 against this 2019 schedule. Hell if he goes 9-4 we probably all need to just hush and let the man coach the way he wants. 
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 5:11 pm
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Posted on 9/10/19 at 5:10 pm to AUtigR24
I mean this in all seriousness. I would rather keep Gus around until his buyout goes down to a manageable level. I wouldn't want to waste money on his buyout that could go to the basketball program and bball coaches salaries instead.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 5:19 pm to AUtigR24
8-5 gets him fired. Not sure why we have this defeatist mentality.
Clemson built a program
Georgia built a program
LSU might be building a program under O
During Saban’s tenure.
I don’t think Gus is a program developer. He had a new idea and it worked a decade ago. He’s also not recruited towards the offense he wants to run. Which is his fault. I’m still pulling for the guy to figure it out this year
Clemson built a program
Georgia built a program
LSU might be building a program under O
During Saban’s tenure.
I don’t think Gus is a program developer. He had a new idea and it worked a decade ago. He’s also not recruited towards the offense he wants to run. Which is his fault. I’m still pulling for the guy to figure it out this year
Posted on 9/10/19 at 5:39 pm to Rhino5
100%. Couldn't have said it better.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 5:59 pm to ShredSquatch
If you let him go, who do you hire?
Posted on 9/10/19 at 6:03 pm to Rhino5
There is personaly opinion then reality. You are crazy to think 8 wins gets him fired. IMO, I would be pissed with 8 wins, but the suits won't fire him.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:10 pm to AUtigR24
If we aren’t competitive against Georgia, Bama, and LSU, I want him gone. I’m tired of losing to these teams.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:17 pm to AUCE05
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There is personaly opinion then reality. You are crazy to think 8 wins gets him fired. IMO, I would be pissed with 8 wins, but the suits won't fire him.
I don’t think it’s crazy when other programs are being built all around AU, and he’s being paid as much of more as them. I’m hopeful for Gus but he’s not indicated he’s a program builder.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:14 pm to ShredSquatch
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I'm tired of being mediocre.
Not to be a debbie downer, but if we are being honest with ourselves, Auburn has historically been a mediocre program. We are pretty much a 8-4 type program with an occasional burst of excellence. I hate writing it and would love a way out. Given the built in obstacles we have to deal with, it’s pretty fricking amazing we are even an 8-4 program with title runs every 10 years or so. You look at other programs with similar profiles and they are bottom feeders, not a Top 15-18ish all time program.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:04 pm to AUtigR24
8-5 he should go. This is his last chance. Not expecting a NC, but we have to do better than 8-5. Losing to A&M is not an option for him.
Like what? AU is a university with a football program like Bama, UGA, UF, LSU and others. A football program with a lot of money. Why should AU be the one to accept 8-5? Looking at it objectively, there's no reason a recruit should pick UGA or Bama over AU. (I am talking with coaching being equal).
Clemson has proved it can be done. AU with a lake. They have never been a perennial power and probably have a worse overall record. Now they are building a dynasty.
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Given the built in obstacles we have to deal with
Like what? AU is a university with a football program like Bama, UGA, UF, LSU and others. A football program with a lot of money. Why should AU be the one to accept 8-5? Looking at it objectively, there's no reason a recruit should pick UGA or Bama over AU. (I am talking with coaching being equal).
Clemson has proved it can be done. AU with a lake. They have never been a perennial power and probably have a worse overall record. Now they are building a dynasty.
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:09 pm to AUtigR24
I mean if the offense sucks why keep him? Is offense not the only reason he was hired? IMO he has lost his touch with offense. I think he struck lightning with the HUNH and now it's not unique.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 5:35 am to ever43
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Auburn has historically been a mediocre program.
This just isn’t true. Auburn is a top 15 program all time. And that is with mediocre coaching most of the time. Give Auburn an elite, or just a competent coach, and we should be winning no less than 9 games every year.
Idk why people keep saying this. It’s like a guy staying with a shitty girlfriend, because he’s too scared to be alone or thinks that’s all he can get. No other program in the country has went undefeated as many times as Auburn the past 30 years. There’s not many more teams that bring in revenue like Auburn. It’s time for this defeated attitude to die.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 5:45 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:52 am to AUtigR24
He should be gone... not necessarily for this (8-5) season, but for the cumulative body of work. Simply, he's an offensive coach paid $7M per year and is producing mediocre to sub-par offensives.
That said, the former administration tied AU's hands with Gustav's current contract. He will be retained with 8-5 given mildly competitive games against GA and bama. If both are those are blowouts however, it's a crap-shoot.
That said, the former administration tied AU's hands with Gustav's current contract. He will be retained with 8-5 given mildly competitive games against GA and bama. If both are those are blowouts however, it's a crap-shoot.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:51 am to jvilletiger25
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This just isn’t true. Auburn is a top 15 program all time. And that is with mediocre coaching most of the time. Give Auburn an elite, or just a competent coach, and we should be winning no less than 9 games every year.
What he means is that Auburn is not a consistently competitive program who is going to yearly be a late-october "could Auburn sneak into the playoff" candidate. We're an also ran program most years with occasional spurts of brilliance that results in us staying top 15-18 in the modern era. We simply are not championship caliber past the middle of the season in most years. Obviously that's a high expectation, but if you're flirting with 15th all time or a bit higher, which is where I'd like us to be, then you should be in that discussion more often and in a more serious way.
Auburn has gotten the benefit of the doubt under Gus more than any point in my lifetime, perhaps in our history. We're regularly given high rankings, better bowl spots, etc. But since 2000, the number of 10 win seasons -
Auburn - 5
Florida - 8
UGA - 12
LSU - 10
These are the programs we're supposedly up against, and we're doing it with a ton of 8 win years and the occasional banner season. All of these programs are past us in various ways, as well.
I'm not convinced we can't achieve closer to a 9/10 win average, but when you consider that we play UGA, LSU, Alabama and A&M on a yearly basis, then factor in a decent out of conference game, sporadically good Mississippi/Arkansas schools, etc. the path to get to consistent 9.5-2.5 seasons isn't straightforward. And as someone else said, it seems like that culture would have to be built from the ground up. I'm not sure that's where we are. It seems more like we're trying to keep our footing. We're doing our best to beat teams below us and occasionally picking off wins against the top of the conference. But we're not really competing against them on a yearly basis.
Right now it seems like we're really reactionary with Gus. It's like we wake up every year with a roster that we have no idea how we got and we're asking our offensive coaches to make something out of it. That's not true, of course, we're recruiting these guys and then 2 years later questioning why these two 4 star top 10 dual threat QBs don't see the field, or why blazingly fast and agile 4 star highly touted athletes "who should thrive in a Gus offense" only periodically contribute.
We're going to see this year out obviously and I'm genuinely hopeful that things begin to click and it ushers in several years of competitive football. But my guess is that this program, while not in dire straights, lacks a coherent vision and any sort of upward trajectory and that begins with Gus.
Honestly I think our AD in general, from football to branding to facilities, lacks a coherent path forward, but that's a different discussion.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:02 am to AUtigR24
quote:almost regardless of the scenario
Malzahn to be let go
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:19 am to Zeroforwinger
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If you let him go, who do you hire?
I mean, there are no guarantees. Like any big time school you're probably choosing from:
A) An elite coordinator who everyone believes is going to make a good HC who has experience recruiting and coaching at the highest levels (Riley/Kirby/Aranda types).
B) A proven program developer that probably kicked arse at a G5 school and then has a record of relatively-high success at a P5 school (admittedly probably a mid/lower tier P5).
C) All in on some pipe dream like Urban or Stoops
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:29 am to Pettifogger
Personally, I don't think option C is realistic. Can we afford a HUGE dollar coach after spending over $30M to buyout CGM and all of his staff (including Steele, TWill, Caddy, Garner, etc)?
Option B may be difficult as well. Would an up and coming coach want the pressure of coaching in the SEC when we expect wins against UGA, Bama, LSU, TAMU? Why not go to some ACC or Big Ten school where it is much easier to win and comparably recruit? Let's face it, we will expect the next coach to continue to recruit at a high level. Yeah we say a good coach wants the challenge but more than that, they want to stay employed.
So that leaves option A as the most probable option. Is there an elite coordinator out there we are willing to take a risk and spend over $30M to dispose of our current coaching staff?
Am I happy with 8-5? Absolutely not! But there have been a lot of SEC coaches hired since 2007 that have been much worse than 8-5. Firing CGM and staff and replacing with a most probably a coordinator would be a huge gamble. And one we would probably have to live with for quite some time.
I know this is not a popular opinion but let's be realistic. What coordinator is out there that we are willing to spend almost $40M (includes his and new staff contracts) and 4 years win or lose?
Option B may be difficult as well. Would an up and coming coach want the pressure of coaching in the SEC when we expect wins against UGA, Bama, LSU, TAMU? Why not go to some ACC or Big Ten school where it is much easier to win and comparably recruit? Let's face it, we will expect the next coach to continue to recruit at a high level. Yeah we say a good coach wants the challenge but more than that, they want to stay employed.
So that leaves option A as the most probable option. Is there an elite coordinator out there we are willing to take a risk and spend over $30M to dispose of our current coaching staff?
Am I happy with 8-5? Absolutely not! But there have been a lot of SEC coaches hired since 2007 that have been much worse than 8-5. Firing CGM and staff and replacing with a most probably a coordinator would be a huge gamble. And one we would probably have to live with for quite some time.
I know this is not a popular opinion but let's be realistic. What coordinator is out there that we are willing to spend almost $40M (includes his and new staff contracts) and 4 years win or lose?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:31 am to Zeroforwinger
Dave Aranda
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:33 am to AUNashville
That's a good viable option.
Any others?
Any others?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:34 am to COAUTiger
The buyout is the one thing for me. Auburn is falling behind on the facilities upgrade race. I want Malzahn gone, but the money needs to be spent elsewhere before canning him, or the replacement is going to have the handicap in recruiting as well.
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