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Posted on 10/20/25 at 8:38 am to DyeHardDylan
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Franklin would be a terrible fit
I agree but frick a fit.
Hire Franklin win 8 or 9 a year
Posted on 10/20/25 at 8:59 am to Fearless and True
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How is recently (10 months ago to be precise) winning games in the expanded playoff evidence of being on the downswing?
Malzahn won 9 games and beat #5 Bama in the season before he got fired. You underestimate how quickly things can fall apart for a coach.
Look at Penn State's schedule last year. In the regular season their only ranked win came against #19 Illinois. They had an absurdly favorable draw in the playoffs to face SMU and Boise State, both of which field nowhere near as much talent as Penn State.
So out of 13 total wins on the season, their signature wins were: Illinois, SMU, Boise State. That is an absolute joke. No disrespect to those programs, but that is a paper-tiger resume.
He is in his 15th season of coaching and just lost back to back games to terrible teams to get fired. He clearly isn't getting better at this point, which means there is really only one place to go (down) considering that he isn't likely at all to maintain his inflated record in the SEC given how much harder the schedule is week to week.
Someone else already pointed this out: Penn State only played 2-3 ranked games of consequence each year. Even if he lost all of those games (which he usually did) he could end up with a 9-10 win season just by beating inferior teams. In the SEC ~60-70% of the teams are ranked in the Top 25. Every week is a ranked opponent. Right now the SEC makes up five of the Top 10, and seven of the Top 15 teams in the national rankings.
The problem with this conference is that everyone has talent. There has never been more parity in terms of talent across the SEC. So for a guy like Franklin who struggles mightily with actually coaching when it matters (when both teams have comparable talent), this is very worrying.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:14 am to AUtigR24
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Hire Franklin win 8 or 9 a year
LOL
Oh how the tides turn
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:18 am to LanierSpots
We need to be looking for someone that can string together 10 win seasons. If it ends up being an average of 8-9 over 10-15 years, well ok then, but our struggle has been achieving high levels with consistency. We achieved high levels in the past and won championships here and there, but didn’t have the consistency save a few years under Coach Dye in the late 80s.
That is what I hope to achieve.
Who can get us there? The world may never know.
That is what I hope to achieve.
Who can get us there? The world may never know.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:33 am to metafour
Just imagine how Franklin would do here when he has to play6-8 ranked teams a year plus two of the best programs in football every single year
Auburn is a very tough job due to lots of parameters. Schedule and management are just a few
He would suck here
Auburn is a very tough job due to lots of parameters. Schedule and management are just a few
He would suck here
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:40 am to metafour
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The problem with this conference is that everyone has talent.
They sure do this year. Even Kentucky and Moos St are playing ranked teams very tough.
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:42 am to LanierSpots
Primary thing is what you would pay for Franklin.
You pay that amount to "guarantee" 8 wins or higher. Do you really think - given his record and Penn State's unraveling this season - that he is a guarantee at 8 wins and up?
There is a reality with coaches that existed prior to NIL/portal and after. Being the coach of a P5 program is a very different beast now. I think Hugh's spectacular flame-out is only one of many examples of this. Dabo is another. Hiring Franklin is just another lazy, short-sighted way of getting around the same research and risk any college program will face making a hire. We've been lazy with hiring for a long time. Chizik was a good coordinator here, so despite a bad HC record, we hired him. Malzahn was successful as his coordinator, so we hired him without much consideration otherwise. Harsin was a complete anomaly, so not really worth mentioning. Freeze was another coach with a scheme that had a couple of wins against Saban.
It's time we pushed the good ol' boys back a few paces, conduct a professional search and make the best hire we can to run a pro football program... which is what college football is now. If we don't have the AD to do that, start with hiring one of those.
You pay that amount to "guarantee" 8 wins or higher. Do you really think - given his record and Penn State's unraveling this season - that he is a guarantee at 8 wins and up?
There is a reality with coaches that existed prior to NIL/portal and after. Being the coach of a P5 program is a very different beast now. I think Hugh's spectacular flame-out is only one of many examples of this. Dabo is another. Hiring Franklin is just another lazy, short-sighted way of getting around the same research and risk any college program will face making a hire. We've been lazy with hiring for a long time. Chizik was a good coordinator here, so despite a bad HC record, we hired him. Malzahn was successful as his coordinator, so we hired him without much consideration otherwise. Harsin was a complete anomaly, so not really worth mentioning. Freeze was another coach with a scheme that had a couple of wins against Saban.
It's time we pushed the good ol' boys back a few paces, conduct a professional search and make the best hire we can to run a pro football program... which is what college football is now. If we don't have the AD to do that, start with hiring one of those.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:45 am to LanierSpots
Yea, even look at Cignetti (I like him a lot), they've played 3 ranked teams in 1.5 years, not including the bowl game. What he has done there is phenomenal, don't want to discount it.
However, as you mentioned, have to look at things here that will be different. We will play minimum 6 ranked teams a year, probably 7 and maybe 8 depending on our OOC games. With two of those being Bama and UGa. Having a good record somewhere, but anytime you play anybody with a pulse you struggle and general lose, needs to be magnified a bit. At Auburn, you don't get to have 8 wins a year over bad teams and then if you get hot have your 10+ win season. Getting to 8 wins is tough as it is.
However, as you mentioned, have to look at things here that will be different. We will play minimum 6 ranked teams a year, probably 7 and maybe 8 depending on our OOC games. With two of those being Bama and UGa. Having a good record somewhere, but anytime you play anybody with a pulse you struggle and general lose, needs to be magnified a bit. At Auburn, you don't get to have 8 wins a year over bad teams and then if you get hot have your 10+ win season. Getting to 8 wins is tough as it is.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:48 am to wareaglepete
quote:which we’ve accomplished exactly once in our 130+ year gridiron history - and that was 36 years ago
We need to be looking for someone that can string together 10 win seasons
why not do as other successful programs in recent years have done, i.e. have truly knowledgeable individuals analyze the field of young coaches with established performance benchmarks who might reasonably accept an offer from us, then interview them about their specific plans to rebuild the program, then offer the job to the one who best qualifies
nah, we’re Auburn, we’ll latch on to whatever retread our biggest money booster happens to have a hardon for
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:50 am to AUCom96
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Franklin is just another lazy, short-sighted way of getting around the same research and risk any college program will face making a hire.
It would be the least JABA hire in history
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:26 am to LanierSpots
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Just imagine how Franklin would do here when he has to play6-8 ranked teams a year plus two of the best programs in football every single yea
Now do Rhett Lashlee or Summerall.
Given the pool we're choosing from. Franklin is a no brainer. Rhett or Summerall may turn out to be great SEC coaches but you have to admit its a roll of the dice.
If our candidates were Mullins, Urban, Jimbo, Kiffin, Franklin etc then yes Franklin would be way down on my list. But the likely candidates it appears are Rhett, Summerall, and Franklin.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:32 am to AUtigR24
If I thought there would be a competent process that went through Franklin, Sumrall, Rhett, Key, etc. and genuinely picked the most impressive candidate as determined by a number of sober-minded, smart people who love Auburn...
I'm fine with Franklin losing out to someone else. But Auburn will have a favorite, the process will be skewed, and the starting points will be along the lines of "he's got ties to Alabama and we relate to him."
I'm fine with Franklin losing out to someone else. But Auburn will have a favorite, the process will be skewed, and the starting points will be along the lines of "he's got ties to Alabama and we relate to him."
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:31 pm to FearlessFreep
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which we’ve accomplished exactly once in our 130+ year gridiron history - and that was 36 years ago
Leave them alone man. Just let them roll. Coaching searches on this board are some of the best times.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:40 pm to AUtigR24
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Franklin is a no brainer.
Absolutely, you have to have no brain to think he's a good hire.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:41 pm to AUtigR24
"We shouldn't settle for 9 wins, we're Auburn!"
"Let's hire the guy from Troy!"
-Same people
"Let's hire the guy from Troy!"
-Same people
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:56 pm to AUtigR24
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If our candidates were Mullins, Urban, Jimbo, Kiffin, Franklin etc then yes Franklin would be way down on my list.
The fact that you just exposed that you think that Urban, Mullen, and Jimbo would be good hires basically confirms that you have no idea what you are talking about. You aren't even getting the names right. Who is "Summerall"? Who is "Mullins"?
You are obsessed with past "success"/name status, as if this guarantees anything (hint: it doesn't, and this has been proven repeatedly).
Why stop there? Why don't we just go and save Clemson and hire Dabo away from them? He has won a million games. He is more successful than Franklin. Who cares if he looks incompetent today, he will be hungry to prove everyone wrong! That's how this works, right?
Posted on 10/20/25 at 1:09 pm to Pettifogger
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"We shouldn't settle for 9 wins, we're Auburn!"
"Let's hire the guy from Troy!"
-Same people
Truth.
It's either Troy or UAB.
The real problem is that our biggest booster MAY (I don't know at all), may be the guy that says - "Let's hire the guy from Troy."
I don't want Frankliln at all, but without the benefit of a crystal ball, he's a better choice than the guy from Troy.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 1:26 pm to pdfield34
I can't think of many names thrown about that I'm adamantly against if they're hired as part of a truly serious evaluation
Including Sumrall. I just want people to be candid about the various risks of everyone being tossed around.
Including Sumrall. I just want people to be candid about the various risks of everyone being tossed around.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 1:48 pm to metafour
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Look at Penn State's schedule last year. In the regular season their only ranked win came against #19 Illinois. They had an absurdly favorable draw in the playoffs to face SMU and Boise State, both of which field nowhere near as much talent as Penn State.
So out of 13 total wins on the season, their signature wins were: Illinois, SMU, Boise State. That is an absolute joke. No disrespect to those programs, but that is a paper-tiger resume.
He is in his 15th season of coaching and just lost back to back games to terrible teams to get fired. He clearly isn't getting better at this point, which means there is really only one place to go (down) considering that he isn't likely at all to maintain his inflated record in the SEC given how much harder the schedule is week to week.
Someone else already pointed this out: Penn State only played 2-3 ranked games of consequence each year. Even if he lost all of those games (which he usually did) he could end up with a 9-10 win season just by beating inferior teams. In the SEC ~60-70% of the teams are ranked in the Top 25. Every week is a ranked opponent. Right now the SEC makes up five of the Top 10, and seven of the Top 15 teams in the national rankings.
The problem with this conference is that everyone has talent. There has never been more parity in terms of talent across the SEC. So for a guy like Franklin who struggles mightily with actually coaching when it matters (when both teams have comparable talent), this is very worrying.
FACTS!!!
Email this to that dumbass Cohen!!
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 1:50 pm
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