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re: Have we talked about checkgate?
Posted on 10/9/24 at 9:47 am to jangalang
Posted on 10/9/24 at 9:47 am to jangalang
bench his lousy arse, I'm tired of this turd. He is constantly too late on throwing, not making good decisions, surrounded by controversy on the field, missing wide open check downs. Hank Brown solved this, but he only got 1 half to get that full experience as a starter. I REALLY hope they spend the BYE week getting Hank Brown/Holden/WW some reps.
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Posted on 10/9/24 at 11:03 am to jangalang
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I am still unsure how one player bottled up two players so easily.
The QB made it easier for him when he pulled the ball and started running backwards.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 11:22 am to RandySavage
quote:it shows how potent this offense can be. Sadly, PT finds ways to lose games despite being in a Qb friendly system
PFF is a hilariously bad publication but that blurb is going to trigger some people. You should've started a new thread with it.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 3:51 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Freeze said "I did not call that" What he should have said is "what I called was even more fcked up.
He called for Hunter to get that ball.....while the DE was tackling him.
But he didnt say that, he totally hung Thorne out to dry with that half true statement. What an ahole of a coach.
You can always tell the character of a person when the heat is on.
He called for Hunter to get that ball.....while the DE was tackling him.
But he didnt say that, he totally hung Thorne out to dry with that half true statement. What an ahole of a coach.
You can always tell the character of a person when the heat is on.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 3:59 pm to Foy
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When you're a coach, you lie and say that's on me I've got to put them in a better position. Doesn't matter what the truth is or what happened. You take it 100% and don't put it on the players. Especially with some of the atrocious coaching Hugh has done this season.
Bro... Ray Charles is blind and dead and he could that PT changed the play even if he had his back turned. Why insult everyone's intelligence?
People love a beautiful lie...
Posted on 10/9/24 at 8:31 pm to thirdlawson
Freeze is now walking back some. So the dive part appears to be a lie?
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“That’s a whole long story for sure, but the execution of it wasn’t proper,” Freeze said. “Payton is, he really thought he needed to handle an edge guy and he kept the same run on, so he’s correct. He did not change the play. But that play’s not designed to hit from the backside at all. So he was thinking through things, and I understand his thinking, but we can’t do that in that situation."
This post was edited on 10/9/24 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 10/9/24 at 8:48 pm to jangalang
Who gives a shite. We weren’t winning that game even if we pick up the 4th down.
I said in the game thread to punt. In a meaningful situation over the last 3 years when have we successfully picked up a 4th down and short?
I said in the game thread to punt. In a meaningful situation over the last 3 years when have we successfully picked up a 4th down and short?
Posted on 10/9/24 at 8:57 pm to CorchJay
It is Wednesday and he is still being asked about it. His own fault.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:11 pm to CorchJay
Gotta say corch i didn't peg you as a moral victory quitter
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:18 pm to jangalang
From what I can tell, it seems we had two play calls for that instance. I
Basically, if they give you this look it’s this. If they give you another look it’s this. Thorne thought they give him the look to go to the second play I guess? Which isn’t changing the play?
Idk. Whole thing seems stupid
Basically, if they give you this look it’s this. If they give you another look it’s this. Thorne thought they give him the look to go to the second play I guess? Which isn’t changing the play?
Idk. Whole thing seems stupid
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:47 pm to Weagle25
Ok how about Freeze simply walk his arse through the athletic complex and into the QB room and tell Thorne to run what they call(within reason) No matter what. All of this control and choice, strip him of it completely. You don't trust him and he's not even smart enough or not willing to just pay the Media game and lie for his coach and team. We've all seen players blame themselves when the receiver didn't run thr right route or the running back missed a block. Thorne is admittedly under tremendous pressure and refuses to do that. Now as a coach YOU have to play someone else or take away his ability to do shite like this. It all leads black to Freeze. Sidenote (yes) I understand that it will affect the offense and reduce him to a Gus QB incapable of checking out of certain situations.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:57 pm to RandySavage
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Gotta say corch i didn't peg you as a moral victory quitter
I’m not that at all. Someone fricked up the call or execution we aren’t going to get the answers.
But to my other point the question still remains when a play absolutely has to be made in a game this team for 3 years has shown no ability to make the play. We have picked up some 4th downs but when have we picked up a 4th down and short in a game or situation that has contributed to a win?
We were down 11 and the 4th down play was the first play of the 4th qtr. punt them deep, get a stop, get the ball back about where you turned it over on downs.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 5:59 pm to CorchJay
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We were down 11 and the 4th down play was the first play of the 4th qtr. punt them deep, get a stop, get the ball back about where you turned it over on downs.
1. You said in your last post we weren't going to win the game even if we had gotten it so how does punting it give us a better chance or why does it even matter what we do if even in the best case scenario it was hopeless in your view?
2. You think we had a better shot of getting a 3 and out than picking up 1 yard?
Come on man.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 7:27 pm to RandySavage
What I know is we have been stuffed multiple times on 4th and short so yes I do think we have had more 3 and outs on defense then 4th and short in the recent past.
No I don’t think we were winning the game at that point regardless if we picked up the first down or not. What did happen is we put the definitive stamp on the game by giving them the ball at our own 43. When trying to get back into a game that you are losing you delay the “loss” as long as possible. Same reason analytics or not is stupid to go for 4th and whatever in the first qtr of a game. The game has evolved just like the Sam Jackson situation on the goal line in 4th down early in the game take the fricking points. Kick the FG. With the clock rules and leaning more towards NFL type numbers in game time and plays you have to adapt. Control the possession of the football, stay on the field, march down the field, take points when they are available. Granted there will be games where teams are completely over matched and big plays are there to be had and we have has our fair share of explosive plays but they haven’t led to wins. Like I said possessing the football is now probably more important than a few big plays a game. Obviously unless they go for TDs.
I could accept the decision to go for it if we had shown the ability recent to execute and pick up 1st downs in those situations but we haven’t. Situational awareness is a key to coaching.
No I don’t think we were winning the game at that point regardless if we picked up the first down or not. What did happen is we put the definitive stamp on the game by giving them the ball at our own 43. When trying to get back into a game that you are losing you delay the “loss” as long as possible. Same reason analytics or not is stupid to go for 4th and whatever in the first qtr of a game. The game has evolved just like the Sam Jackson situation on the goal line in 4th down early in the game take the fricking points. Kick the FG. With the clock rules and leaning more towards NFL type numbers in game time and plays you have to adapt. Control the possession of the football, stay on the field, march down the field, take points when they are available. Granted there will be games where teams are completely over matched and big plays are there to be had and we have has our fair share of explosive plays but they haven’t led to wins. Like I said possessing the football is now probably more important than a few big plays a game. Obviously unless they go for TDs.
I could accept the decision to go for it if we had shown the ability recent to execute and pick up 1st downs in those situations but we haven’t. Situational awareness is a key to coaching.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 7:30 pm to CorchJay
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No I don’t think we were winning the game at that point regardless if we picked up the first down or not.
Youre in some weird mood. If we scored it wouldve been a one possession game.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 7:37 pm to jangalang
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No I don’t think we were winning the game at that point regardless if we picked up the first down or not.
So we just give up?
Also, you talked a lot about possessing the ball and staying on the field. You don't do that by punting.
They weren't in scoring position so either way we were going to have a to get a stop to keep it a 2 possession game. You think possibly gaining 30 yards of field position was more worthwhile than potentially (like 80+% chance) of keeping a rare drive into their territory going?
I hope your son made it through the storm in good shape, but you're wrong here. Really wrong.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:11 pm to Johnnycrane
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I understand that it will affect the offense and reduce him to a Gus QB incapable of checking out of certain situations.
This thought has crossed my mind a lot this year. It would suck to continue to high school offense ourselves, but then again we'd be 4-1.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:23 am to RandySavage
We can agree to disagree but the result says I’m correct. We didn’t pick up the 1st down so all the what if’s is only played out in your head.
Punting in that situation isn’t giving up it’s the right call. Obviously!!!
Punting in that situation isn’t giving up it’s the right call. Obviously!!!
Posted on 10/11/24 at 3:45 am to CorchJay
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I could accept the decision to go for it if we had shown the ability recent to execute and pick up 1st downs in those situations but we haven’t. Situational awareness is a key to coaching.
^This is why I don’t think “analytics” works consistently in football.
In baseball, they’ve got way more data, and it boils down to the batter for one team.
In basketball, it boils down to shooting 23 foot shoots versus 19 foot shots, layups versus 15 footers, and whether free throws are converted.
Football has so many variables. Time and score. What are team strengths? Weaknesses?
I think “feel” and “breaking tendencies” is more of a thing in football than most other sports.
Golf is great for analytics over the course of a season, but there are still moments where going for it is warranted.
I thought it was ok to go for it there on fourth down, but I was not shocked we messed up.
The 2010 team made a bunch of clutch plays. This group has struggled to make some basic plays .going for it with Cam at QB is not analytics; it’s knowing you can get the yardage 99% of the time.
Players>plays.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 7:33 am to makersmark1
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going for it with Cam at QB is not analytics; it’s knowing you can get the yardage 99% of the time.
It can be analytics. You look at our conversion % on 3&3 or less or 4&3 or less in 2010, and analytics would say you go for it.
Making any blanket statement about Analytics is dumb. It’s just information to make decisions with. Analytics doesn’t give you one defined answer because one person is using this data set and the other is using another data set leading to two different answers. Like anything else it’s all about how you use it.
You use it to try and discover trends that you don’t see due to biases in our mind.
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