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re: Harsin's contract?
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:25 am to jvilletiger25
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:25 am to jvilletiger25
Ed O was a coordinator who had failed miserably as a head coach except a short interim stint at USC and begging for the opportunity. Bryan Harsin is a successful HC that we went after. The situation is completely different and doubt you will see that especially when he was making 2 mil plus I believe.
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 11:45 am
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:11 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Market rate moron thinking at its finest folks.
There is plenty of demand for this job to lower the price. There is actually little reason why coaches are paid what they are paid if you truly go by "the market."
LOL. Captain, I just dont think you know who has the leverage in this situation. It is not the school. Should it be? absolutely. But unfortunately, it is not
The top has been blown off the coaching salaries. They all have agents who know what the jobs pay. They will work to get the highest and in almost every single circumstance, they do
Posted on 1/29/21 at 10:14 am to LanierSpots
quote:This, unfortunately.
The top has been blown off the coaching salaries. They all have agents who know what the jobs pay. They will work to get the highest and in almost every single circumstance, they do
Pretty much everyone on this forum thought Gustav’s 2017 deal was out of line, but most of us hoped it would be worth it (Plot Twist: It wasn’t).
The fault in that negotiation was that we accepted Sexton’s word that Arky was willing to offer Gustav $7 million a year and we had to match it - the demand was all on Gustav’s side, not AU’s.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 10:26 am to FearlessFreep
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The fault in that negotiation was that we accepted Sexton’s word that Arky was willing to offer Gustav $7 million a year and we had to match it - the demand was all on Gustav’s side, not AU’s.
That was AU’s fault. You don’t need to be scared to lose a mediocre coach. If Harsin turns out to be just as mediocre and he threatens to leave, say bye bitch and move on. If he turns out to be a championship caliber coach, pay the man.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 11:18 am to jvilletiger25
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When was he making less than $1 million? He was set to earn $1.95 million in 2021 at Boise.
His contract is somewhere in the $4-5 million range.
I was going to say that even with the Bo influence, the price tag had to set the bar high to lure him away from Boise. His salary also has to compete with the Coaches around him in the league. My guess is 4-5 million and due to increase as he clears specific hurdles.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 12:41 pm to jvilletiger25
quote:That was the dilemma AU found itself in back in December 2017. Was Gustav a "mediocre coach" or a "championship caliber coach"? There was ample evidence for both scenarios.
That was AU’s fault. You don’t need to be scared to lose a mediocre coach. If Harsin turns out to be just as mediocre and he threatens to leave, say bye bitch and move on. If he turns out to be a championship caliber coach, pay the man.
As a wise man once said, "Hindsight is 50/50", but looking back we would have probably been better off to offer to extend Gustav a couple of years at a slight increase in his then-third-best-in-the-SEC salary and increase his performance bonuses. If he walked to Arky, we could have promoted Steele and let him hire a top-notch OC/QB coach and probably competed for the CFP with what we had coming back in 2018.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 5:19 pm to jvilletiger25
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That was AU’s fault. You don’t need to be scared to lose a mediocre coach. If Harsin turns out to be just as mediocre and he threatens to leave, say bye bitch and move on. If he turns out to be a championship caliber coach, pay the man.
You do realize that when Auburn resigned Gus, he had just taken a 3-9 team to the National Championship then in two years later he beat two #1 teams and was headed to the SEC Championship when they did his new contract.
The problem with guys like you and Brannigan is you want it both ways. You want to bitch and complain about everything that is done.
If we dont pay good money, we dont get a coach. Then you complain because we cant get a "Good" coach. Then if they pay a guy to come and he doesnt end up winning 11 games a year, you complain that they paid too much
You do realize that you cant "buy wins". They have to happen. Very few coaches are "good hires" in the end. that why there is a carousel of coaches going around out there. Its just a crap shoot to begin with then you can either stick with a guy and give him time or go the Tennessee route and just keep firing and hiring crappy coaches hoping one works out
There is only one coach out there that would make either of you happy and that guy will never be on the plains. From this point forward, it is a crap shoot at best no matter who they hire and they are going to have to pay them good money to come anyway.
Like it or not
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:04 pm to LanierSpots
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You do realize that when Auburn resigned Gus, he had just taken a 3-9 team to the National Championship then in two years later he beat two #1 teams and was headed to the SEC Championship when they did his new contract.
You do realize between those 2 seasons he had 3 very mediocre seasons.
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You do realize that you cant "buy wins". They have to happen.
No shite. You do realize that you don’t have to give a ridiculous contract to everyone that you hire? If they earn it, then pay them.
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There is only one coach out there that would make either of you happy and that guy will never be on the plains.
There are plenty of good coaches that people would be happy with. Don’t act like Gus didn’t earn his criticism.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:45 am to jvilletiger25
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You do realize between those 2 seasons he had 3 very mediocre seasons.
Auburn went to 2 national championships in 50 years. Malzahn was a big player in both of those seasons. Why wouldnt they make an big effort to keep him?
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No shite. You do realize that you don’t have to give a ridiculous contract to everyone that you hire? If they earn it, then pay them.
That is a noble thing Jville and I do agree with you. But that is not how it works these days unfortunately. People get paid what a job basically pays. From the start. When TExas AM hired Jimbo, They didnt give him 2mil a year and tell him to earn the rest. The top is off the coaching market.
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There are plenty of good coaches that people would be happy with.
But probably not many of them would come here. Just look at the recent hiring process.
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Don’t act like Gus didn’t earn his criticism.
He absolutely did
Posted on 1/30/21 at 7:33 am to LanierSpots
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When TExas AM hired Jimbo, They didnt give him 2mil a year and tell him to earn the rest.
Jimbo had recently won a NC.
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But probably not many of them would come here. Just look at the recent hiring process.
So you know for a fact who Auburn went after? You’d be the only one who did besides the AD and President.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:31 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Market rate moron thinking at its finest folks.
There is plenty of demand for this job to lower the price. There is actually little reason why coaches are paid what they are paid if you truly go by "the market."
How?
Let's look at the salaries for some recently-hired SEC coaches...
Sam Pittman at Arkansas - first time HC - $3 million base salary (with win escalators)
Josh Heupel at Tennessee - $4 million salary
Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri - $4 million salary (he was hired with one year of experience at Appy State)
Mike Leach at Miss State - $5 million salary
As you can see, the market rate for an SEC head coach HAS been set. If you look at the above list, not only is Auburn a bigger program than every school except for Tennessee, but Bryan Harsin is also more accomplished/has a much stronger resume than every coach on there except for Leach. Those two factors mean that his contract must fall in line accordingly - otherwise how are you going to get him to sign here? I'm sure his agent knows how to use Google, and you won't be able to sell him on coming here for the "bonus" of getting paid as much (or less) than a guy like Sam Pittman who had never even been a HC before.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:02 am to metafour
My guess is $4.5m-$5m with incentives that would push him up $1m for some hardware.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 1:34 pm to jvilletiger25
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Jimbo had recently won a NC.
Jimbo was on his way out at FSU. Friend of mine sits on several boards at FSU. He was in on negotiations behind the scenes on how they were trying to get rid of them
Coaching contracts are pretty much market rate for a top exec/ceo/president at most 100-200 million a year revenue corporations.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 3:30 pm to jvilletiger25
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Jimbo had recently won a NC.
He had absolutely failed at FSU other than one year. Hell, his last year they didnt even have enough wins for a bowl game. And that is in the ACC with a horible schedule
I dont know who they went after. But I know the names you guys were throwing around like you always do and none of those top name coaches were coming to Auburn and they never have. We have always hired guys like Tubberville, Gus and Harsin. Just "big hope" guys.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 3:34 pm to metafour
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How?
Let's look at the salaries for some recently-hired SEC coaches...
Sam Pittman at Arkansas - first time HC - $3 million base salary (with win escalators)
Josh Heupel at Tennessee - $4 million salary
Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri - $4 million salary (he was hired with one year of experience at Appy State)
Mike Leach at Miss State - $5 million salary
As you can see, the market rate for an SEC head coach HAS been set. If you look at the above list, not only is Auburn a bigger program than every school except for Tennessee, but Bryan Harsin is also more accomplished/has a much stronger resume than every coach on there except for Leach. Those two factors mean that his contract must fall in line accordingly - otherwise how are you going to get him to sign here? I'm sure his agent knows how to use Google, and you won't be able to sell him on coming here for the "bonus" of getting paid as much (or less) than a guy like Sam Pittman who had never even been a HC before.
Exactly.
But if Auburn would have low balled a coach we were after and he bolted for Tennessee or somewhere, these guys would have been on here blasting Auburn for being stupid. Its really a losing game. They will never be happy or have any rationality to them. Bitch bitch bitch about every decision made. No matter what
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:20 pm to LanierSpots
Why are we still talking about Gus. Geez give it a rest. He’s gone.
In my opinion Harsin walked into a situation that couldn’t be much better for G5 coach going to a P5 job. Roster has a couple holes but can be addressed. Stud running back. Experienced QB now with some mechanical flaws to work on. (Foot work). And mixed in experience on the roster. It’s why I give no free pass for a couple seasons that many coaches get. No I don’t expect an SEC championship but I do expect 9-3ish. In 2 years when he’s changing QB and this weaker recruiting class comes in as depth I’ll give him a season break but only 1.
In my opinion Harsin walked into a situation that couldn’t be much better for G5 coach going to a P5 job. Roster has a couple holes but can be addressed. Stud running back. Experienced QB now with some mechanical flaws to work on. (Foot work). And mixed in experience on the roster. It’s why I give no free pass for a couple seasons that many coaches get. No I don’t expect an SEC championship but I do expect 9-3ish. In 2 years when he’s changing QB and this weaker recruiting class comes in as depth I’ll give him a season break but only 1.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:52 pm to CorchJay
Sit down sir
Posted on 1/31/21 at 7:13 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Why?
Posted on 1/31/21 at 8:31 am to FearlessFreep
We could have increased Gus’s salary $500K and bumped the assistants salary and I know he would have signed. We didn’t have to touch the buyout. The rumors with Arkansas were hot air. We had stupid frick with total control calling the shots as acting AD/Prez and it’s clear he doesn’t know when to walk away from the table. Our university would be $10-$20 million or more richer if he didn’t give Gus that contract.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 8:33 am to CorchJay
Our OL situation is something that is going to have to take a long time to fix. Gus should have been fired for roster management at the OL position alone
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