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re: Gov. Ivey's Stay-At-Home Order
Posted on 4/8/20 at 8:10 pm to kage
Posted on 4/8/20 at 8:10 pm to kage
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And for those that say let's re-open and this is overblown, please be the first to go and sit in a crowded movie theater or go to a trade show and shake 100 hands in a day without a vaccine to this thing.
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:41 pm to Rhino5
I would go to a movie theater, I would go to a crowded church.
The data we have now has been updated and estimated deaths are expected to be around 60k this year. Thats essentially they same as suicides yearly in the US.
The Flu historically kills in the range of 12k-61k a year. We don’t shut down the country for that.
Each hospital that receives a covid-19 patient gets from the g’ment $19k. If a ventilator is needed that number jumps to $39k.
Why are the flu numbers for hospitals nose diving?
As the state senator and Dr from Mn said... he’s being asked to put covid-19 on death certificates regardless if that’s why the person died if they have coronavirus. His example is, if a person gets hit by a bus and is taken to the hospital has a collapsed lung gets tested for corona and is found to be positive that if they die 10 minutes later from their injuries that since they tested positive that the cause of death should be put down as covid-19.
Our civil liberties are being taken away in the name of fear. I get some people don’t want to work but most of us do and find it uplifting and rewarding. We have to ask the question, why? What is going on? Cut off the talking heads and look inside yourself. If you can’t stand up to a virus God help this country if the young men are ever needed to defend our republic again!!
The data we have now has been updated and estimated deaths are expected to be around 60k this year. Thats essentially they same as suicides yearly in the US.
The Flu historically kills in the range of 12k-61k a year. We don’t shut down the country for that.
Each hospital that receives a covid-19 patient gets from the g’ment $19k. If a ventilator is needed that number jumps to $39k.
Why are the flu numbers for hospitals nose diving?
As the state senator and Dr from Mn said... he’s being asked to put covid-19 on death certificates regardless if that’s why the person died if they have coronavirus. His example is, if a person gets hit by a bus and is taken to the hospital has a collapsed lung gets tested for corona and is found to be positive that if they die 10 minutes later from their injuries that since they tested positive that the cause of death should be put down as covid-19.
Our civil liberties are being taken away in the name of fear. I get some people don’t want to work but most of us do and find it uplifting and rewarding. We have to ask the question, why? What is going on? Cut off the talking heads and look inside yourself. If you can’t stand up to a virus God help this country if the young men are ever needed to defend our republic again!!
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:46 pm to Rhino5
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And for those that say let's re-open and this is overblown, please be the first to go and sit in a crowded movie theater or go to a trade show and shake 100 hands in a day without a vaccine to this thing.
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:51 pm to CorchJay
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Our civil liberties are being taken away in the name of fear. I get some people don’t want to work but most of us do and find it uplifting and rewarding. We have to ask the question, why? What is going on? Cut off the talking heads and look inside yourself. If you can’t stand up to a virus God help this country if the young men are ever needed to defend our republic again!!
This is some of the dumbest crap I’ve read on this site which is impressive as hell.
Are you seriously saying that all of this is because people don’t want to work? Are you also acting as if the virus is some bully that just needs to be stood up to? My god this place is the best
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:32 pm to AA7
No I’m not saying the virus is a bully. I’m saying the media has hyped it up to be something it isn’t. The CDC, WHO, Gates Foundation... all looking to prosper. I’m saying this is like the flu however it seems to not kill the young like the flu mostly elderly with already comprised health. And if you want me to be honest about it we and the entire world look cowardly with the new data we have. And the data isn’t changed because of the social distancing because that was factored into the original model. We are on par to have deaths range about what a normal flu season would be for a year.
And yes I do believe some want government hand outs on both sides of the political isle one side bigger government the other side to break social services such as SS benefits. How many people do you know personally that has been diagnosed and died from it? I’ll hang up and listen. If you listen to the news you expect a guy with a trolly and bell yelling bring out the dead in all neighborhoods.
But it all started with a simple question when would things get back to normal. I still stand by end of April things will start getting back to normal. No school won’t go back this year but people will go back to work, social gatherings will be taking place.
Here’s you another projection. If the economy stays shut down for another 2-3 month the projection of suicides is 830k people in the US this year.
And yes I do believe some want government hand outs on both sides of the political isle one side bigger government the other side to break social services such as SS benefits. How many people do you know personally that has been diagnosed and died from it? I’ll hang up and listen. If you listen to the news you expect a guy with a trolly and bell yelling bring out the dead in all neighborhoods.
But it all started with a simple question when would things get back to normal. I still stand by end of April things will start getting back to normal. No school won’t go back this year but people will go back to work, social gatherings will be taking place.
Here’s you another projection. If the economy stays shut down for another 2-3 month the projection of suicides is 830k people in the US this year.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:00 am to CorchJay
Ask yourselves how are we down during the “pandemic” 15% in death rate for a normal year? For just this portion of the year that equals out to around 17,000 people less that in a normal average year.
I’m just throwing out stats that are available for anyone to find. Then adding my opinion about those stats. Take them however you want.
I’m just throwing out stats that are available for anyone to find. Then adding my opinion about those stats. Take them however you want.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:17 am to CorchJay
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data isn’t changed because of the social distancing because that was factored into the original model.
That is in direct contradiction to Corona Task Force Dr Deborah Birx's recent comments.
While referencing American's behavioral changes and how it changes the model
"That's what's changing the rate of new cases, and that's what will change the rate of mortality going forward"
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We are on par to have deaths range about what a normal flu season would be for a year.
As a country we have shut down and isolated yet we still are on pace for more than the typical flu in an entire year by August.
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How many people do you know personally that has been diagnosed and died from it?
Multiple. A couple more with family members on ventilators.
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If the economy stays shut down for another 2-3 month the projection of suicides is 830k people in the US this year.
You are suggesting that suicides become the #1 killer in America? That would be about as many suicides as the last 30ish years combined
For reference, 830k would make more suicides than the #1 & #3 killers in America for 2017 (heart disease and accidents)
The financial crisis/recession only increase suicides by approximately 10,000 above avg over 08-10
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how are we down during the “pandemic” 15% in death rate for a normal year?
During the last recession, overall mortality decreased due to many factors related to not working
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 1:12 am to GenesChin
Early models without social distancing themselves as 2.2 million deaths. With social distancing 120k-220k.., rates now for actual data has it at around 65k. With the peak in mid April. Of course we will have some rebound infections after going back to “normal” but with testing and remaining cautious I think we stay well below 100k over the next 2 years. That’s my opinion.
Sorry to hear about your multiple infections in your circle. Trust me I want no part of the virus in my family or friend. I haven’t seen my mother in 2 months and she’s 82.
If you trust Birx and Fauci then you’ll trust anyone. Just look into their AIDS stuff. Birx has already been under DOJ investigation for mismanagement. Surprised actually that she still has a job.
Same Old Trump when he wants to put a spot light on something he throws the most corrupt out in the spotlight. Same is happening here with those 2 idiots.
Remember they also told us that face masks would increase the spread of the virus. Pants on fire or something like that
Sorry to hear about your multiple infections in your circle. Trust me I want no part of the virus in my family or friend. I haven’t seen my mother in 2 months and she’s 82.
If you trust Birx and Fauci then you’ll trust anyone. Just look into their AIDS stuff. Birx has already been under DOJ investigation for mismanagement. Surprised actually that she still has a job.
Same Old Trump when he wants to put a spot light on something he throws the most corrupt out in the spotlight. Same is happening here with those 2 idiots.
Remember they also told us that face masks would increase the spread of the virus. Pants on fire or something like that
Posted on 4/9/20 at 3:24 am to CorchJay
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With social distancing 120k-220k.., rates now for actual data has it at around 65k.
The reduction in mortality is due change in case growth rate not reduced mortality. That is a sign that social distancing is even more important than the model expected.
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think we stay well below 100k over the next 2 years.
If we are back to "normal," this is very unlikely without a better treatment protocol or vaccine. Right now social distancing is the only thing keeping this from racking up more deaths.
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If you trust Birx and Fauci then you’ll trust anyone
I don't personally like Birx.
Not sure why you think Fauci is anything but a high quality scientist. He is one of the top cited scientished in scientific research of any discipline.
I'm sure it is possible to find times Fauci has made mistakes, like everyone, but he is respected by the scientific/medicine community for a reason.
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Just look into their AIDS stuff.
This is generally viewed as a major positive for Fauci, not a negative.
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Remember they also told us that face masks would increase the spread of the virus.
That was the CDC / Surgeon General, which most people believe has to do with equipment shortages.
They said it was unnecessary for healthy people, which is generally true unless properly wearing a N95+ rated mask. Standard Facemasks for sick people is to reduce spread not protect the person wearing one.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:09 am to BuckFama334
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Don't think I can add pictures in the quotes, but as for the Coronavirus in the news picture, fwiw, I've maybe watched the news 3 or 4 times in the past month. We're home with two young boys, I'm working full time from home, so there's just no time. By the time they're in bed, it's a few bourbons, streaming shows or whatever and off to bed.
I'm basing what I'm saying on getting info from friends of ours who are Dr's at Emory as well as several people we know that work at the CDC. We live in the area, so our kids go to school with people that work there and all my info about this whole thing is based on what they've told us, so I'm not spouting off some scare tactic I'm hearing from the news.
As I said before, I want this thing over asap. My wife is furloughed indefinitely, which basically cut our income in half. Unemployment will help, especially with the extra $600/week from the federal relief package, but to think we just open back up at the end of April is just naive.
I get that people are hurting economically. I get that we need to get things cranked up again, but if widespread, accurate testing is not in place, there's a very realistic chance this thing comes right back and starts growing exponentially again, healthcare system is overrun and we're right back to where we were about 4-6 weeks ago.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:35 am to kage
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I get that people are hurting economically. I get that we need to get things cranked up again, but if widespread, accurate testing is not in place, there's a very realistic chance this thing comes right back and starts growing exponentially again, healthcare system is overrun and we're right back to where we were about 4-6 weeks ago.
This is what more folks should focus on. It's true that the death toll and mortality rate of Covid-19 aren't staggering in regards to overall population, but it infects just about everyone. A not insignificant portion of those who are infected require hospitalization and the resources that follow (ICU beds, ventilators, meds, etc). Social distancing and shelter in place orders are the only thing managing to keep the number of infected people requiring hospitalization under a proverbial tidal wave that would break the healthcare system.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:08 am to sbr2
quote:There have been many people who have already had "The Rona" and survived without going to the hospital and being on ventilators, etc. The ones put in the Hospital have underlying conditions and already weren't in good health. But hospitals are pumping up their numbers of deaths caused by "The Rona" much like Italy counted people who died in their hospitals had "Rona" patients were counted even if they weren't tested. The media is driving hysterics. Is it bad? Yes should we shut down the country for multiple months until a vaccine is out? No Way.. We have had multiple people at work with it and they stayed home for the period of time and were over it. We did have a couple who had underlying conditions be hospitalized for observation but no problems. There is some stupidity going on with our media and some people doing stupid things but that will always happen. We have had more deaths in our county with accidents than the virus since this thing broke out and we are well over 2 million and had a ton of Snow Birds this season.
Social distancing and shelter in place orders are the only thing managing to keep the number of infected people requiring hospitalization under a proverbial tidal wave that would break the healthcare system.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:23 am to 88TIger
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The ones put in the Hospital have underlying conditions and already weren't in good health.
Yeah that's not actually the case. I've read plenty of stories about people who were young and healthy who had no underlying conditions.
And a LOT of people do have underlying conditions. Tons of people with diabetes, hypertension, overweight/obesity. We are a nation full of fat unhealthy people, especially in the South.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:39 am to 88TIger
I don’t think it’s going to go away. It’s very contagious. I also think it’s been here longer than 3-4 weeks, and that many have probably had it and didn’t know it.
I’m not worried about it for myself. I do have a 90 year grandma who has locked herself away. I guess keep us all locked away for another week or so, but keeping the workforce age dormant is going to take a long time to fix.
I’m not worried about it for myself. I do have a 90 year grandma who has locked herself away. I guess keep us all locked away for another week or so, but keeping the workforce age dormant is going to take a long time to fix.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:41 am to sbr2
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This is what more folks should focus on.
My wife said her hospital has had a major spike in cases this week.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:43 am to Leto II
Ya'll stay in fear. When the President gives the orders that it's ok to get out and about I'll be the first one on the roads...
Also the cosmetology board of alabama sent out messages to their stylist today that it appears they can start preparing and scheduling clients for work on May 1st. Hmmm? Hair cuts essential?
Also the cosmetology board of alabama sent out messages to their stylist today that it appears they can start preparing and scheduling clients for work on May 1st. Hmmm? Hair cuts essential?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:48 am to CorchJay
I'm not in fear at all for myself. I do fear for my 70 year old parents, one of which is going through immunotherapy treatment for cancer. I worry about my neighbors who are older or may have other conditions that could put them in danger.
I will continue to listen to doctors and not politicians.
I will continue to listen to doctors and not politicians.
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:00 pm to 88TIger
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There have been many people who have already had "The Rona" and survived without going to the hospital and being on ventilators, etc
This is correct. When it infects the majority of a population base, plenty will recover on their own.
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The ones put in the Hospital have underlying conditions and already weren't in good health.
This is not correct. In major metropolitan areas, you can pick an age and it'll be represented in the data. Old and young, healthy and unhealthy - doesn't matter. Some folks immune system just does not respond fast enough and they end up needing hospital treatment.
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We have had more deaths in our county with
You can insert X cause of death if you makes you feel better, but a DOA car accident victim doesn't generally run the risk of infecting everyone including healthcare workers. Which leads to more infections and more possible hospitalizations.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:14 pm to CorchJay
This virus doesn’t care about how brave you type. It’s going to run it’s course until it runs out of places to go.
Right now, we’re limiting transmission through hygiene, distancing, and closures. Long term, we’ll do it with a vaccine and population immunity. The meantime is important.
It is true that we need the economy to start churning again. It’s true that we need to ensure the healthcare system can adequately manage the caseload of this virus. There’s a balancing act that we’re beginning to plan for.
I’m quite hopeful and I’m not scared of the virus anymore. But unfortunately I’m no more immune to it than when I was quite scared and pessimistic.
Right now, we’re limiting transmission through hygiene, distancing, and closures. Long term, we’ll do it with a vaccine and population immunity. The meantime is important.
It is true that we need the economy to start churning again. It’s true that we need to ensure the healthcare system can adequately manage the caseload of this virus. There’s a balancing act that we’re beginning to plan for.
I’m quite hopeful and I’m not scared of the virus anymore. But unfortunately I’m no more immune to it than when I was quite scared and pessimistic.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:27 pm to TheJones
Its not about bravery. It's about being duped. It's all overblown bs. The sooner we stop looking at these inflated numbers and fear the sooner we get back to "normal". I understand the major metro areas and overrun hospital argument. I don't want that to happen at all and agree with this 30 day of distancing. As mentioned before I have an 82 year old mother that definitely doesn't need to get it. We buy her groceries for her and place them on her porch. She doesnt go to church. She hasn't been out of the house except to let her little dog out in 3 weeks. But these plenty of young people dying is horse crap. Yes maybe a handful, but a handful dies from pneumonia, a handful dies from the flu, from heart attacks... It isn't the norm. From the data if you are under 60ish and don't have a heart condition, lung condition, or diabetic then you are probably good to go. If you have those conditions you should be more careful and take extra precaution.
No way can we wait 12-15 months for a vaccine and that absolutely will not happen. I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I won't take the covid-19 vaccine. I've never taken the flu vaccine, I've never taken the pneumonia vaccine and I won't take this one.
No way can we wait 12-15 months for a vaccine and that absolutely will not happen. I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I won't take the covid-19 vaccine. I've never taken the flu vaccine, I've never taken the pneumonia vaccine and I won't take this one.
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