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Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:30 pm to Poker Dough
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:30 pm to Poker Dough
Damn Poker. You're down bad.
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:07 pm to auyushu
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auyushu
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Coaches who completely tank like he did on his first job and get fired with a losing record don't really turn out to be good coaches later.
This doesn’t say as much as you might think. Most head coaches are hired to new jobs after being very successful in their current stint. Yet, almost all coaches turn out to be bad or average in the long run. Nearly none have sustained, high level, long term success
Most of the time, a few good seasons and catching lightning in a bottle is about all you can ask for.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:14 pm to TheJones
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Most of the time, a few good seasons and catching lightning in a bottle is about all you can ask for.
Yep and at least this century, almost assuredly if they hit on a multi year QB. Obviously have to do well elsewhere, but coaching rising and falling follows QB play very closely these days.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:53 pm to The_SwAUggford
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let's grab Key
If you are just looking at his Offense then go after his OC. Unless Key is calling plays.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:11 pm to TheJones
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Yet, almost all coaches turn out to be bad or average in the long run. Nearly none have sustained, high level, long term success
This is no doubt true. Which is even more reason not to hire someone who has already busted badly, pretty much making it a guarantee they won't have success rather than a small/average chance.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 8:09 pm to 88TIger
What you got against him?
Posted on 11/13/25 at 8:22 pm to auyushu
Group of 5 HC: Curt Cignetti
Coordinator: Lanning, Smart
Bad first gig: Kiffin
Playcaller and HC: Kiffin
These have been the contentious archetypes people have said you dont hire from if youre trying to win and there's a successful HC from every single one of them. And ofc the success rate is low. Its low no matter what.
Did you learn everything you know directly from somebody?
Coordinator: Lanning, Smart
Bad first gig: Kiffin
Playcaller and HC: Kiffin
These have been the contentious archetypes people have said you dont hire from if youre trying to win and there's a successful HC from every single one of them. And ofc the success rate is low. Its low no matter what.
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How exactly is being a DC under Hugh Freeze and Jimbo Fisher in his I give up phase allowing Durkin to learn to be a better head coach?
Did you learn everything you know directly from somebody?
Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:02 pm to The_SwAUggford
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contentious archetypes
S-A-B-A-N
Posted on 11/14/25 at 12:50 am to The_SwAUggford
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These have been the contentious archetypes people have said you dont hire from if youre trying to win
What people? Smart was one of the most sought after coaches around for half a decade, he just turned people down until he got the level of control and job level he wanted. Just because our boosters were idiots and chose Gus doesn't make him contentious. I myself was pretty annoyed when we went with Gus (as was Pat Dye).
Lanning barely made it three years as a DC before getting snapped up by a top 20 program, there was nothing contentious about him. I was pretty sad Oregon snapped him up so quick. I was really hoping we'd be able to hire him to replace Harsin when was inevitably going to be fired the following season.
Cignetti wasn't even a coordinator anywhere before moving up from lower ranked jobs, so there was nothing to be contentious about. I'll be honest, I didn't know anything about him as a head coach till he went to James Madison.
And they have nothing in common with Durkin. Kiffin as I mentioned myself has some similarities, but he was successful at every college level gig he's had so not really comparable.
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you learn everything you know directly from somebody?
I certainly haven't, but what I didn't learn from others I learned by doing it. Where is Durkin getting the experience to be a better head coach exactly, since he hasn't been learning on the job or learning from good coaches? Acting like he'll magically be a better head coach now with us without any new head coaching experience is pure wish casting with no basis in reality.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 12:52 am
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:11 am to auyushu
You're missing the point. Its not the coaches that are contentious, it's the archetype.
He's learning on the job rn and he's gonna be right in the mix if he beats bama. But that doesnt change the fact that rn I want a few guys ahead of him.
He's learning on the job rn and he's gonna be right in the mix if he beats bama. But that doesnt change the fact that rn I want a few guys ahead of him.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:23 am to The_SwAUggford
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You're missing the point. Its not the coaches that are contentious, it's the archetype.
So you are basically posting some madeup nonsense that doesn't have a damn thing to do with Durkin or what we were discussing? Cool.
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and he's gonna be right in the mix if he beats bama. B
If the people in charge are stupid enough to give him the job because of a single win against Bama then they deserve the buyout they'll have to pay in 2-3 years.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 1:24 am
Posted on 11/14/25 at 6:10 am to The_SwAUggford
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Group of 5 HC: Curt Cignetti
As also Alabama’s WR coach and Recruiting Coordinator from 2007-2010.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 6:27 am to auyushu
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If the people in charge are stupid enough to give him the job because of a single win against Bama then they deserve the buyout they'll have to pay in 2-3 years.
This. Have people learned nothing from the dumb GusShortBus contract in 2017?
Or Freeze getting hired solely because he beat uat a couple times?
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 6:56 am
Posted on 11/14/25 at 8:22 am to The_SwAUggford
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That being said if Brent Key has been interviewed lock him down
Brent Key has for a fact interviewed per a member of the undefeated 1993 team who is also my neighbor
That was known before the Hoke report came out so Hoke is at least correct about one of the names.
I'm pretty excited that Franklin interviewed maybe that shows that Cohen is serious about finding a good coach and not just an Auburn retread
Posted on 11/14/25 at 8:26 am to TheJones
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catching lightning in a bottle is about all you can ask for.
We don't even have the bottle anymore.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 8:57 am to slacker130
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we don't have the bottle
Here is what happened last time we did have it
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:46 am to Poker Dough
I saw a quote on twitter that is 100% correct on Durkin.
If he was the current DC at BAMA or UGA atm with a top defense the fan base would have him at #1.
If he was the current DC at BAMA or UGA atm with a top defense the fan base would have him at #1.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:52 am to Ccslimm
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If he was the current DC at BAMA or UGA atm with a top defense the fan base would have him at #1.
bullshite. How many people were calling for Muschamp to be HC after he had failed at Florida and South Carolina?
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:57 am to Ccslimm
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I saw a quote on twitter that is 100% correct on Durkin.
If he was the current DC at BAMA or UGA atm with a top defense the fan base would have him at #1.
This quote keeps getting posted and it makes zero sense logically.
1) Not a single one of the DC's at the schools you named has been brought up as a candidate here, so why would Durkin if he was hypothetically at one of those schools and not Auburn? There are no other DC's being mentioned as options, and there are teams in the country which have better defenses than us. If what you state is true, then why isn't OSU's DC being brought up as a candidate? Or Indiana's? Or Oklahoma's? Oregon's? All of these teams have better defenses than us under Durkin.
2) We don't even have a "TOP defense". We are now ~8th in the SEC in scoring (PPG) and ~9th in yards allowed per game. We are somewhere in the 80's or 90's nationally in pass defense - which is obviously well below average. This is a good defense, but it is hardly "ELITE", which makes these statements even more confusing. We have Auburn fans talking as if this Durkin defense is the 2003 Tampa Bay Bucs when that is hardly the case. I believe that we are a ~Top 25 defense in scoring efficiency which is clearly good, but again: lots of teams are better than us defensively, and NONE of those DC's are being talked about as candidates.
The actual 100% truth is that Durkin is only being brought up by the fans because of PROXIMITY BIAS. If he was the DC at 4-6 Texas A&M and had a "good defense", there is 0% chance that any Auburn fan would be calling for him to be the HC. In fact, if he was coaching elsewhere I guarantee you that Auburn fans would have no problem referencing his losing record at Maryland as the HC. But funnily enough, because he is here at Auburn you instead get complete deflection on that part of his resume (which is actually super relevant since he was the HC at Maryland, and we are talking about him becoming the HC here).
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 10:00 am
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:59 am to Ccslimm
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I saw a quote on twitter that is 100% correct on Durkin.
If he was the current DC at BAMA or UGA atm with a top defense the fan base would have him at #1.
You follow dumb accounts.
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