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Posted on 6/15/19 at 12:08 pm to auburnnyc94
Posted on 6/15/19 at 12:08 pm to auburnnyc94
Why do you think we would have to vacate games? Didn't this happen in the off-season, then they were suspended before the season and eventually reinstated before they played again? Meaning they didn't play in any games when ineligible
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Posted on 6/15/19 at 12:14 pm to auburnnyc94
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Disagree with a lot of that.
I'll add some color why I think these things
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couldn’t have done a thing to stop it except to have had NSA on all of his assistants
While I agree, the NCAA can't risk legitimizing this argument for all the other head coaches who have flimsy "plausible deniability"
There just is no way that Bruce/AU doesn't get slapped with a failure to monitor. When you run the operation and it fails, you are ultimately responsible at some level.
Auburn Athletics absolutely deserves it for not seeing red flags with hiring a financially strapped coach. Bruce, that's a tough sell to me but seems necessary for NCAA to do.
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I suppose a suspension to Bruce is possible
A suspension is a slap on the wrist if it is 1-2 meaningless games.
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Reduction of scholarships 1-2
Players got paid, scholarship reduction is a very, very common punishment. If it is just 1, it sucks but really not huge damage.
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- Reduced Staff Off Campus Travel/Visits
This always seems to get tacked on to any punishment.
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- Potential Show cause for staffers who "should have known"
There was a coach in significant financial trouble paying players
Hard to believe there wasn't someone who went out of their way to avoid seeing the red flags
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/15/19 at 12:16 pm to BowlJackson
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Didn't this happen in the off-season, then they were suspended before the season and eventually reinstated before they played again? Meaning they didn't play in any games when ineligible
Happened as early as winter break period of 2016-17 season
Posted on 6/15/19 at 12:19 pm to GenesChin
Well... I guess it's a good thing we flamed out that season, won't be too many wins from second semester to vacate 
Posted on 6/15/19 at 12:25 pm to BowlJackson
I would think AU self imposes something that "sounds" harsh but in reality is a slap in the wrist, like I outlined. Given how schools are pushing back on the NCAA, I'd imagine they'd love if a school like AU kissed the ring and give them precedent to hammer non cooperating institutions.
A coach suspension, vacated wins, probation, scholarship reduction for one of the tame scandals would be great precedent
For AU, it would be a slap on the wrist. 1 scholarship isn't a big deal, BP missing South Alabama isn't a big deal, probation/minor recruiting restraints isn't a big deal.
A coach suspension, vacated wins, probation, scholarship reduction for one of the tame scandals would be great precedent
For AU, it would be a slap on the wrist. 1 scholarship isn't a big deal, BP missing South Alabama isn't a big deal, probation/minor recruiting restraints isn't a big deal.
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Posted on 6/15/19 at 12:49 pm to GenesChin
The NCAA knows they are being perceived as weak (FBI actually uncovered all of this) and if they wanted to puff their chests out it would be to hammer schools like Auburn and LSU, schools not traditionally blue bloods but currently strong enough programs to set strong examples.
Don’t like this one bit. This hopefully doesn’t cost us our recruiting momentum.
Don’t like this one bit. This hopefully doesn’t cost us our recruiting momentum.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 1:16 pm to jangalang
Yeah whatever it ends up being, gotta hope other schools get hammered harder. Makes the bad pub kinda get swept under the rug if others are hit with postseason ban and show causes and big scholly reductions
Posted on 6/15/19 at 1:25 pm to GenesChin
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Charges
- Failure to Monitor: Auburn AD
- Failure to Monitor: Bruce Pearl
- Impermissible Benefits: AU Basketball
- Playing ineligible players: AU Basketball
Likely Potential Punishments
- BBall Program Probation
- Bruce Pearl multi game suspension
- Reduction of scholarships 1-2
- Reduced Staff Off Campus Travel/Visits
- Accepting Wiley/Purifoy 2017/2018 Suspension
- Vacate wins from 2016-17 season
- Chuck Person show cause
- Potential Show cause for staffers who "should have known
frick all that noise
Posted on 6/15/19 at 1:27 pm to jangalang
I expect Auburn to be put on super secret probation, at worst.
Auburn cooperated fully with the NCAA when this came to light. Auburn suspended both players involved. The NCAA punished one player for a full season before the NCAA reinstated him, not Auburn. The other player was forced to sit for more than a full season before the NCAA reinstated him.
Our Head of Compliance has ties with the NCAA enforcement staff. We just gave Pearl a huge contract extension. That would not have happened if their were concerns about the NCAA coming down on us.
Auburn cooperated fully with the NCAA when this came to light. Auburn suspended both players involved. The NCAA punished one player for a full season before the NCAA reinstated him, not Auburn. The other player was forced to sit for more than a full season before the NCAA reinstated him.
Our Head of Compliance has ties with the NCAA enforcement staff. We just gave Pearl a huge contract extension. That would not have happened if their were concerns about the NCAA coming down on us.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 1:52 pm to MrAUTigers
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Auburn cooperated fully with the NCAA when this came to light. Auburn suspended both players involved
I guess we will see. Given we actually self imposed punishments more than fair enough to make things square, I will be pretty butthurt if we get hammered. We could’ve just done nothing.
Another note, Missouri football fully cooperated and still got hammered with a post season ban. They symbolically tied their own noose for the NCAA.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:53 pm to auburnnyc94
The thing that concerns me is the NCAA has to make a show with all this FBI stuff... that was made apparent by their comments this week in the yahoo article.
If the Person deal was an isolated incident (and not lumped in with other universities and allegations), it’s probably a done deal with having 2 players suspended and the coach fired... unfortunately, that’s not the case.
If the Person deal was an isolated incident (and not lumped in with other universities and allegations), it’s probably a done deal with having 2 players suspended and the coach fired... unfortunately, that’s not the case.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 4:43 pm to lowspark12
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The thing that concerns me is the NCAA has to make a show with all this FBI stuff.
People are nuts if they think AU is walking away clean. Who cares though if the punishment does not materially affect recruiting, postseason play nor current staff
Things that aren't a big deal, gives NCAA their punishment and likely only will be a footnote in program history
- Bruce sitting out 1-2 games vs some directional school
- Staff losing a week or two of off/on campus recruiting of our choosing
- Losing 1-2 deep bench scholarships during a season of our choosing
- Probation because a coach legit paid players
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:02 pm to GenesChin
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Things that aren't a big deal, gives NCAA their punishment and likely only will be a footnote in program history
- Bruce sitting out 1-2 games vs some directional school
- Staff losing a week or two of off/on campus recruiting of our choosing
- Losing 1-2 deep bench scholarships during a season of our choosing
- Probation because a coach legit paid players
Yeah I agree with that
Posted on 6/15/19 at 10:18 pm to HailToTheChiz
Did I miss something? Did they name Auburn as 1 of the 6 schools?
Posted on 6/15/19 at 10:50 pm to thirdlawson
They did not name AU or any school. Seems likely that something may happen. We had a coach involved.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 8:56 am to GenesChin
I just don't understand your logic on this topic.
Auburn gained no competitive advantage from what Person did. Auburn was never implicated in a shoe company buying a player.
The article specifically states that the NCAA is going after schools who were involved with playing ineligible players. Our players sat and the NCAA reinstated them. They were forced to pay back any money they collected.
Auburn got ahead of the curve while other schools snubbed their noses at the accusations. They took the "catch us if you can approach".
Auburn gained no competitive advantage from what Person did. Auburn was never implicated in a shoe company buying a player.
The article specifically states that the NCAA is going after schools who were involved with playing ineligible players. Our players sat and the NCAA reinstated them. They were forced to pay back any money they collected.
Auburn got ahead of the curve while other schools snubbed their noses at the accusations. They took the "catch us if you can approach".
Posted on 6/16/19 at 9:08 am to MrAUTigers
I totally agree with you. We were one of few teams that already took our lumps and sat out players. Not even remotely worried we are one of the six.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 2:16 pm to MrAUTigers
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The article specifically states that the NCAA is going after schools who were involved with playing ineligible players.
Which we did in 2016-17
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Our players sat and the NCAA reinstated them
The kids have paid their penalty but NCAA has yet to sanction Auburn for its role.
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Auburn gained no competitive advantage from what Person did.
The NCAA is punishing amateurism violations, they even pointed to that as targeting "eligibility"
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Auburn got ahead of the curve while other schools snubbed their noses at the accusations
We had an AU coach pay players. If Bruce survives this intact with no postseason ban nor lasting recruiting penalties, that's a damn win given his NCAA history
There probably is a good chance many coaches/programs are absolutely hammered. Show causes, post season bans and major scholarship/recruiting penalties
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:17 pm to GenesChin
What you are ignoring, or failing to realize, these assts. were rogue and not benefiting their University. They were benefiting themselves. As the FBI stated....Auburn University was the victim.
Now these schools that the shoe companies were buying players for.........that's a different story.
Now these schools that the shoe companies were buying players for.........that's a different story.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 4:52 pm to MrAUTigers
You are right that we were victims UNLESS the NCAA can prove we recruit players with promises of steering them to agents and such. Unlikely but a small chance of the outcome.
Also, can’t ignore the fact that even though we may be the victim, the NCAA may not care and punish us for having an assistant gone rogue which is absurd but they’re already known as an organization of asshats.
Also, can’t ignore the fact that even though we may be the victim, the NCAA may not care and punish us for having an assistant gone rogue which is absurd but they’re already known as an organization of asshats.
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