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Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:05 am to Weagle25
My interpretation is that he is harkening to social contract theory and saying that there is an individual duty to the public health as a whole and not just your health as an individual. More specifically, the fact that a younger person might get infected a show mild symptoms shouldn’t be the only factor in their decisions, but the fact that they might then spread the contagion to those more immunocompromised that actually might wind up exhibiting severe symptoms and even dying (all the while clogging up the healthcare system) should play into the decision making.
“Spoken like a child” should have been left out, I agree.
“Spoken like a child” should have been left out, I agree.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 8:06 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:15 pm to Ross
quote:Perhaps, however not caring about being communicable because it affects the elderly more than it does your age group is being childish.
“Spoken like a child” should have been left out, I agree
At least this sounded that way...
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The way you say it’s flat out not true makes it sound like it’s not an old person disease but it is.
as well as this
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. . . the fact is for the majority of the population, it’s a bad cold that can be taken care of by your own body.
Doesn't this imply it's just too inconvenience for me to worry about passing this on to the old lady living next door?
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Is it really critical if I can handle it with ease?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:16 pm to Ross
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My interpretation is that he is harkening to social contract theory and saying that there is an individual duty to the public health as a whole and not just your health as an individual
Yep
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:37 pm to awestruck
Regardless, Upwards of 3,000 people in America have the virus, only ten or so are serious cases. Causing the economy to shut down over a small amount of serious cases is not worth it.
I hope the elderly and the ones that know they have underlying complications are actually staying in. For many of us, not going to a concert is no big deal. But providing for the family is and staying inside the house for a fortnight is no option.
I hope the elderly and the ones that know they have underlying complications are actually staying in. For many of us, not going to a concert is no big deal. But providing for the family is and staying inside the house for a fortnight is no option.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:01 pm to N97883
quote:does having grey hair count as old? Asking for a friend
Covid19 is not a death sentence unless you're old
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:02 pm to jangalang
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Upwards of 3,000 people in America have the virus,.
We don't have adequate testing volume to believe that figure is close to correct
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only ten or so are serious cases
Considering we've had 70 confirmed deaths, that's a bit more than 10. Also, that mentality is what people said about Italy not long ago
Finally this idea of it being "mild" is misleading. That just means no supplemental oxygen is needed. A lot of people with "mild" conditions would be considered very sick by typical standards
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:02 pm to GenesChin
I hope this blows over but until we get adequate testing we have no clue what will happen
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:03 pm to ChexMix
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does having grey hair count as old? Asking for a friend
shite, I've had grey mixed in my hair since 9th grade. I'm doomed.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:07 pm to GenesChin
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3,000 people in America have the virus,.
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327,000,000 people in America
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:41 pm to GenesChin
nvmd
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:52 pm to ChexMix
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ChexMix
We have 3000 confirmed cases but could have many more since we don't have enough tests
Also Italy had only ~400 confirmed cases 2 weeks ago and they just had about 400 deaths the other day
Exponential growth is a pretty significant thing both for $ and pandemic spread
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:05 pm to GenesChin
quote:United States is not Italy.
Also Italy had only ~400 confirmed cases 2 weeks ago and they just had about 400 deaths the other day
The US has 32.6 x the surface size and 5.4x the population
So italy is roughly the size of Arizona with the population of California and Florida combined.
Highly dense population with subpar medical care
eta: and they let their 80+ just die off
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:36 pm to awestruck
We were talking about deaths and how it mainly kills old people. I never said I didn’t care because it’s an old person disease.
This is what I’m talking about with why can’t we just be honest. I have to panic and freak out for anything I say to be accepted. Can’t say factual things.
Also, very unlikely I spread it to the old woman next door. Especially if she quarantines herself.
This is what I’m talking about with why can’t we just be honest. I have to panic and freak out for anything I say to be accepted. Can’t say factual things.
Also, very unlikely I spread it to the old woman next door. Especially if she quarantines herself.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:39 pm to GenesChin
I really don’t get everyone’s obsession with testing either.
Everybody talks about testing but you’re not even supposed to get tested unless you’re showing symptoms and they’re getting severe.
And if this was really getting serious, you’d know without testing.
Everybody talks about testing but you’re not even supposed to get tested unless you’re showing symptoms and they’re getting severe.
And if this was really getting serious, you’d know without testing.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:55 pm to ChexMix
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United States is not Italy.
The US has 32.6 x the surface size and 5.4x the population
Are you suggesting that the US does not have high risk densely populated urban areas that would be at risk like northern Italy?
What you are saying only makes sense if we divided America land by people and made people only stay in their own little patch
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Highly dense population with subpar medical care
You clearly overestimate the US medical system's surge capacity. It's the entire reason the CDC is advocating for smoothing the curve
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and they let their 80+ just die off
The action we are taking is so that we can avoid making that decision
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:56 pm to Weagle25
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I really don’t get everyone’s obsession with testing either.
It’s about exposure. You could have it and have no symptoms which seems fine, but you are putting other people at risk by going about your day to day.
I believe the test is more available now that it was, so I believe we are past the “only test if absolutely necessary” phase.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:58 pm to Weagle25
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really don’t get everyone’s obsession with testing either.
People who test positive then know to self isolate and not go out and infect others reducing transmission
Theoretically, if everyone who had the virus symptoms or asymptomatic carriers self isolated until recovered, the virus would die out
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you’re not even supposed to get tested unless you’re showing symptoms and they’re getting severe.
That's because supply issues. we don't have enough tests and do not want to squander them on healthy people
If we had 500mil tests for 1c each, you better believe we'd encourage everyone to take them
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:59 pm to Weagle25
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Everybody talks about testing but you’re not even supposed to get tested unless you’re showing symptoms and they’re getting severe.
Testing is the only way to get a somewhat accurate picture of what the hell is going on... the CDC fricked it all up and limited testing early on, and that’s let to much of the confusion.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:01 pm to ChexMix
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Highly dense population with subpar medical care
Has less to do with the quality of care and more to do with the fact that essentially every country has hospitals set up to operate at nearly full capacity so they don’t waste money. They are not setup to handle spikes like we are seeing it Italy. The US is trying to avoid that spike and spread everyone out.
As contagious as this virus is, a lot of people are going to get exposed to it, regardless of the measures taken. It’s just about making sure resources are available for the people who need them.
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