re: Cam Coleman

I created a thread asking Oklahoma about their secondary. The guy that was guarding Coleman was a backup and a freshman.

He is good, but lacks the size to be an elite WR. He is also a step below elite talent guys like Pickens. George had that extra gear. I DO NOT want to over pay for his lack of production. I would love to have him back if he is realistic on his value.

Cam doesn't have a noticeable drops problem. He has a disappearing problem.

People are emotional and impulsive. With a good system only a moron would think he couldn't get 1200yds and 10 TDs. He's fumbled, dropped passes, and made mistakes, BUT he's also been overthrown, and put in positions to lose like most of our players. I'd rather have him, than NOT have him. Plus I don't wanna spend the next year watching him light it up somewhere else when he could've done that here. I say wait a week...... and most of you will agree. Folks are just pissed about the Iron bowl.

No one is saying he sucks. It is very noticeable his lack of effort vs a guy like Simmons who is a gamer. Some have it and some don't. It isn't something you can coach. An elite WR makes space and catches balls.

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Literally last night I said give him $6mm to stay.

After tonight, I’d tell him to fricking get bent. He’ll be great at OSU, but he’s not built to be ‘the’ guy. He needs a supporting cast bug time

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No clue where you guys get this stuff from. He was an absolute stud, dog, nearly one man WR corps. All while catching balls from D2 QBs and a peewee football scheme.

We should pay him as much as we reasonably can to stay.

Why all of you are talking shite, do we know for sure he is leaving? And if not, are you saying we would be better off without him? That is crazy talk

I think having a retard calling plays most of the year was a singleton’s problem

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I haven't excused shite lmao

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"He has an ankle injury" (like I said: has he been playing through injury the entire time he has been here?)
"He's had bad QB's".

We've had WR's at Auburn who have had guys like Sean White and Jeremy Johnson throwing them the football while playing in offenses that were considerably more run-heavy, and they have produced similar results to Coleman.

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Mid 4.4s with all the potential in the world to work to a high 4.3.

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So a thin WR with no strength/tackle breaking ability and mid 4.4 speed is a "freak athlete" to you? On what planet?

This is my entire point. You clearly haven't seen too many freak athletes play WR if you think that Cam Coleman is one. You need to argue actual facts, not things that you want to believe in your head.

These are the primary categories of pure athleticism for a WR:

1) Outright speed: the ability to create separation through simply running past defenders.
2) Agility: the ability to change directions quickly and thus pick up extra yards with the ball in your hands.
3) Jumping: the ability to win the ball by simply dominating defenders in the air.
4) Strength: the ability to out-muscle defenders for the football, and rack up additional yards by breaking through tackles.

For a WR to legitimately be a considered a "freak athlete", they MUST possess elite traits in multiples of the above athletic categories. Someone like Randy Moss was elite in at least 3 of the 4 categories. Andre Johnson is another example of a WR who was undoubtedly elite in multiples of those categories. As was Julio Jones. As was Calvin Johnsion

Cam Coleman has played two seasons here, and he has objectively proven to only be elite in ONE of those categories. That isn't my "opinion", it is objective fact. Now you can come back and argue all you want that he can't run past defenders because he always has an ankle injury every time we throw it to him deep, or its because its the QB's fault (in reality Coleman actually has a bad habit of purposely slowing down because he seems intent on trying to set-up jump balls). The QB excuse is retarded because we have seen multiple past receivers put up elite Yard-Per-Catch totals at Auburn despite also playing with objectively average or worst QB's.

He is clearly not "strong", and he clearly is not a threat to make guys miss with the ball in his hands. Again, this is reflective of his actual play. I don't give a shite what you think you saw him do in HS, or what his 247 profile's star ranking says. I'm talking about his play at Auburn.

And everything I am saying is backed up by his actual production (or lack thereof). He has under a 13.0 YPC this season, and even last season it was NOT "elite". Receivers who are truly "freak athletes" will put up elite Yards-per-Catch rates regardless of what offense they are playing and and regardless of who the QB is. That is the literal definition of "freak athleticism": the ability to produce results regardless of the talent around you. Calvin Johnson produced elite production at Georgia Tech despite the fact that he was playing in a literal triple-option offense with a de-facto RB playing QB. And he STILL managed to be a 16-17+ YPC receiver despite being 6'5 240 pounds.

“You say that he has not had enough "opportunities" with deep-balls, but that is nonsense. They threw multiple to him yesterday and that Bama DB was glued to him the entire game. We've had two WR's in recent history who were clearly more dangerous down-field than Coleman has proven to be: Sammie Coates, and Darius Slayton (who has been a solid NFL receiver for 6 seasons now). Both of those guys were ~20+ YPC receivers at Auburn. Cam Coleman's YPC this season is just 12.7, and last season it was 16.2.”

We also had a QB that consistently led those guys, not throwing behind them. Coleman has had several steps on guys the few times we have gone deep to him, but zero of the throws hit him in stride.
If you don’t think he is freakish athleticism, then you haven’t paid attention. I sat and watched him in high school warm ups and he was more athletic than anybody on AU’s team at the time.
YPC is funny, then you have 2 seconds to throw the ball, your receivers aren’t going to run routes downfield. Their YPC will be down.