re: Buccees Mascot Coaching Edition (Former Jet Tracking)

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If his time at Liberty does not convince people he is a good coach, nothing will.

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They know he is a better coach than Kiffin. They just want to force themselves into loving Kiffin without paying attention to what's not on the paper. It's why they start off trying to ignore it and start with the morals crap (like they know anything personally about Kiffin).

If Kiffin, or anyone else, looked like Freeze they too would be drawn to the allure of a working girl

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Well compared to his talent level and the program size, he nearly beat WF, beat BYU worse than even Oregon could, and knocked off as many SEC teams as we have this year. Those are big games where he is. Kiffin's biggest win at OM is a 4 Loss Arkansas team last year. The only big team he played this year destroyed him. Morals or not that isn't impressive.

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Both Freeze and Kiffin are very good coaches.

In the SEC, 70% of all games (it doesn't matter if it's home or away) are won by the team with the superior talent as per recruiting. That is an actual advanced stat. That gives you a ~30% window to "out-coach" the other team, and this is actually even harder than it already seems because most of the teams with the best talent also have good coaches themselves.

Ole Miss does NOT have the talent to compete with Bama, Georgia, or LSU. These are not "bad losses", nor are they games that prove that Kiffin is an average coach. As per advanced metrics, he is actually just one of 18 Power 5 HC's who have a positive "Coach Effect" to date this season. Hugh Freeze is +3 in the same metric by the way, putting him tied for 3rd in the country I believe among all HC's - just to confirm his elite coaching.

Kiffin had two really big wins last season: beating 9-4 Arkansas which had one of the highest graded OC/DC combinations in the entire country and comparable talent to Ole Miss, and beating an 8-4 Texas A&M team that had MORE talent than Ole Miss.

If you look at Ole Miss last season, they lost on the road to a vastly more talented Bama team, and they lost on the road to us in a game wherein they had significant injuries. Then they lost against an 11-win Baylor team with Luke Altmyer playing essentially the entire game. So really, they lost to Bama on the road, and lost two games (neither home games) wherein their QB was injured.

I would take freeze and Kiffin over Prime

I agree, if you don’t see that freeze is a legit HC then it’s a personal issue and not based on facts.

He didn’t just beat Georgia, he beat the shite out of them.

Again, Freeze has a sugar bowl victory… how many SEC teams have had a chance to hire someone with that on their resume?… bama with saban?… that’s about it.

freeze is a scumbag who gets triggered and dms the media and fans. i dont want to deal with that drama at Auburn

People like Freep just don’t see it for whatever reason.

Now everyone wants Kiffin, while most of this board didn’t towards the end of the Gus Malzahn era and then again when Auburn hired Bryan Harsin.

It’s easy to see that both are fantastic coaches.

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Now everyone wants Kiffin, while most of this board didn’t towards the end of the Gus Malzahn era and then again when Auburn hired Bryan Harsin.

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I wanted him after his first year at FAU.

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In Kirb’s 4th game as an HC. Derek Mason and Jim McElwain beat him later that same season. Where are they now?

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It's about talent you dolt. That Georgia team, regardless of how early it was in Kirby's tenure, was still comparable in talent to Ole Miss. Mark Richt left after a 9-win season. That UGA team in 2016 had both Nick Chubb and Sony Michel (1st and 2nd round picks) at RB, they had Roquan Smith (Top 10 pick), and a bunch of other players on defense that are currently in the NFL.

Ole Miss beat the brakes off of them. By the way, most of those other losses were close games. They lost to Vanderbilt by 1 point, and Florida by 14 points. Georgia Tech beat them by 1 point. They lost to Ole Miss by 31 fricking points.

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VPI finished 5-6 that year.

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This is IRRELEVANT. COMPARE TALENT. TALENT. Virginia Tech is a P5 program. In Hugh Freeze's first season there, it was Liberty's first season EVER as an FBS program. Did you notice that even Bryan Harsin, with a ~3-4 win Auburn team, could STILL beat teams like San Jose State? The talent gap that Virginia Tech, an ACC team, had over Liberty at that time was CONSIDERABLE. You really don't get it at all.

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If we’re counting moral victories, I’ll take Kiff’s 2-point loss to eventual BCS Champion Bama in his only year at Tennessee. Which do you think was more impressive?

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If you'd read my posts, you'd know that I'd be perfectly happy with Kiffin and consider both him and Freeze to be really good coaches. Do you think you're talking so someone who you need to convince on Kiffin lol?

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His only win over a ranked team since 2015.

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Oh great point, man. Liberty plays a LOT of ranked opponents, and they routinely beat a LOT of ranked opponents! Think harder.

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Combined 10-9 this far in 2022.

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Please refer to the point about Virginia Tech above. Arkansas is an SEC team that won 9 games last season. They have CONSIDERABLY more talent than Liberty does. You just don't get it.

Again, 3-4 win Auburn routinely beats G5 schools. The record means nothing. The gap between these teams is still considerable. He's at fricking Liberty.