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Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:56 pm to
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:56 pm to
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He made a meal of it sure but he 100% got elbowed in the back of the head.

Which should mean a common foul imo. Didnt see a whole lot.

If you were playing one on one versus a guy on a black top and got elbowed in the back of the head you would play on or quit and leave? That play was not excessive at all.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:58 pm to
The proof CBM is when he loses his cool he does something really idiotic it results in him being removed from the game so he can’t cause any more damage.

As for the difference in his leash and Howard’s, the reality is we don’t have close to all the data there. My theory is that CBM is a positive off the court. Bruce has said multiple times how much the team loves him. We haven’t heard those remarks about Howard and he was at the center of the plane fight.

That’s a lot of words to say Howard is likely getting limited minutes primarily because of non-game activity.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49988 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:59 pm to
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It wasn't an elbow "clearout" thought.

I know I am giving food for thought on why elbow clear outs work. It works because players know elbows are always flying and all players know this.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:07 pm to
Love you brother, but not feeding that troll anymore tonight. No way you believe the garbage you're saying. You have to be more subtle.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49988 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:09 pm to
I still play basketball. Dont know why you are calling it a troll. Players receive inadvertent shots all the time. Youngblood smartly milked it.


This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 7:11 pm
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:34 pm to
Nobody is arguing that elbow clearouts aren't a legitimate part of the game. It's just they normally only happen on rebounds to keep opponents from getting close enough to grab for the ball or a post player creating space after catching a pass in the post. You kinda need to have the ball in your hands.

A couple rabbit punch elbows to the back of a guys head who has inside position for a rebound isn't one of those instances.

Anyone trying to defend what happened today is just gonna have to agree to disagree with me because it was a cheap shot, dirty fricking play because he was mad and couldnt keep his emotions in check. Bottom line.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9896 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:39 pm to
Benefit of the doubt in both of those cases meaning F1 or less instead of F2. I almost never see any F2’s have seen much worse than what CBM has done
Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:55 pm to
Still disagree, anyone is getting thrown out of the game for a clearly intentional elbow to the back of the head. You can foul the absolute hell out of someone if you even pretend to be making a basketball play or be going for the ball and not get thrown out. A bitch arse cheap shot to the head from behind, not so much.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
20945 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 8:02 pm to
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Again, Howard had body language in one game that was a blowout and got banished to the shadow realm.


That isn't the only reason why he doesn't get many minutes
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9896 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 8:03 pm to
Watch the live action replay again. Replay and angle made it worse than it really was
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23640 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 8:06 pm to
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Clearing out after a rebound is good strategy for one reason elbows stay flying.

Even on offense the guard can stop dribbling, put the ball in his hip-pocket, and then circle the ball over his head in an around the world effort to try create space with his elbows coming up.

Which one of those happened on the CBM play?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49988 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 8:33 pm to
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Nobody is arguing that elbow clearouts aren't a legitimate part of the game. It's just they normally only happen on rebounds to keep opponents from getting close enough to grab for the ball or a post player creating space after catching a pass in the post. You kinda need to have the ball in your hands.

Incorrect. But that is besides the point. My whole point is players receive inadvertent shots from arms flying all the time in more phases than just rebounding. That's it. I see very little from it justifying ejection. That's it. Even if you compare this to the Yale game you can see then an intent to deliver a dirty shot. In this game it just appears he was playing rough. Even if CBM meant to do that the ejection was still weak. Hell I thought the Yale ejection was weak too but at least then you can see intent in black and white.


The big assumption the refs used was CBM retaliated.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49988 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 8:34 pm to
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Which one of those happened on the CBM play?

Doesn't matter. Elbows fly regardless especially in tie ups.

It was another weak ejection.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23640 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 8:39 pm to
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My whole point is players receive inadvertent shots from arms flying all the time in more phases than just rebounding

It was in no way inadvertent.
quote:

The big assumption the refs used was CBM retaliated.

They didn't even factor in the retaliation. It was blatant and anything to the "head or neck area" is getting you tossed.

It was a dumb play by him.
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 8:40 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49988 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 8:43 pm to
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It was in no way inadvertent.

Read further down that post, I also said if CBM intended to play physical I still dont see an ejectabe offense. Youngblood was being physical too. Should've been a foul or flagrant 1 at worse.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49988 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 8:46 pm to
Blatant? Disagree.


Which makes the head and neck area toss questionable.

At that point I know at least one time Chaneys face got mauled on a drive and it was just a common call.

Or the defender literally tapping Broome in the forehead, causing Broome to freak out over not receiving a foul call.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23640 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 8:52 pm to
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Blatant? Disagree.

Then you're blind. He came in with an elbow to the head and then cocked back and got him again.

It was obviously blatant. It was dirty. Glad he got tossed. No place for that shite on the court. He was in his feelings because he was having a bad game and didn't get a call on his flop.
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 8:53 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49988 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:04 pm to
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Then you're blind. He came in with an elbow to the head and then cocked back and got him again.

Lol if anything he shoves his elbow to the back of the head Youngblood promptly swings his elbow at CBM's head.Which again drives home my point that play is more normal in tieups than lil dickie V led on.

quote:

It was obviously blatant. It was dirty. Glad he got tossed. No place for that shite on the court. He was in his feelings because he was having a bad game and didn't get a call on his flop.

I am guessing Auburn fans no longer want him back and he is a pariah because our whole team sucked. Miles Kelly, Denver Jones, Chaney, Cardwell, someone besides Broome should have stepped up tonight. Nada
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 9:07 pm
Posted by attalla
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
1325 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:06 pm to
Can’t do that. He’s lucky Bruce is lenient cause I’d be done with him
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23640 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:09 pm to
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if anything he shoves his elbow to the back of the head Youngblood

Yeah the first time. Then he cocked back and got him harder.

If you can't see that, and youre not just trolling like you do, I don't know what to tell you.

Dirty play.
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