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Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:07 am to
Posted by attalla
Atlanta
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:07 am to
Yes to run through Jabari but he was constantly double covered so someone has to be open

Wen and Zep are too small I guess to over the trap to the open man.

Walker was wide open several times in that situation but they almost refused to throw to him, most likely because of his inability to finish
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:08 am to
I thought it was interesting on Pearl post game he said he thought about coming out w a different lineup to start the 2nd half. He said we played poorly to start the game and their plan was to pull Kessler out from post which allowed their 4 guard lineup to get inside a lot and neutralize Kesslers strengths.

I believe his lineup before the half included Cardwell and Franklin.
I was very impressed w Cardwell defense and rebounding and of course Jaylins scoring and rebounding.
Do any of u remember what our lineup was before the half?

It’s easy to look back but that 2nd start.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 11:10 am
Posted by Etowah
Alabama
Member since Oct 2016
347 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:16 am to
In my opinion Bruce's half court offense has been stagnant for years, even when he had Bryce and Jared. He was just able to get away with it because we outran so many with the small lineup. There has not been a lot of movement in the half-court offense and the ball sticks in the guards hands for too long. I've never wanted the offense to run through Jabari I just wanted the ball to move more so we could get the best shot possible on every possession.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:20 am to
It’s a flex cut offense and late clock ball screen offense. It’s not a ball movement, motion offense. Different philosophy. Bruce wants to take the first good look you get. Motion offense wants you to move the ball until you get a great look. Bruce’s system is great when you have shot makers but we only had 1 or 2.
Posted by Etowah
Alabama
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:48 am to
That's a perfect explanation. So my next questions is why didn't Bruce adjust (not changing philosophies because that would be hard to do late season) after going multiple games struggling to score the ball?
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:48 am to
Yep.

If u look at our shooting % for the year vs the U.

Miami’s starting guards were all shooting in the mid to high 40%.
Auburn only had 1, Jabari who was hitting low 40’s and ALL our guards were shooting more around mid 30’s.
And it showed our weakness on our shorter guards even down the stretch in league play.

Pearl HAS to find better shooters to make his offense go, and at least some taller guards.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:53 am to
quote:

That's a perfect explanation. So my next questions is why didn't Bruce adjust (not changing philosophies because that would be hard to do late season) after going multiple games struggling to score the ball?


How do u adjust with poor shooting gusrds? We were lucky we had a strong front like w an all American in Jabari and a great defensive center.

We struggled and lost bc our weak shooting guards and also too many TOs from your pg, sg and Flanigan ofc.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:01 pm to
Well weirdly I don't think this team had many built-in adjustments that could have been made mid-season. A lot of our potential even when we were winning in Nov/Dec to me rested on Flanigan being close to what we expected him to be.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:06 pm to
Westry fits the bill as a taller scorer but I'd love to find a 2 or 3 in the portal that can absolutely fill it up.

One thing I hope Bruce reconsiders is his recruiting philosophy. He seems to filter out guys that he thinks can't play defense at high level and then try to find shooters from that remaining group and there are just so few shooters who are gifted defensively. I wish he'd go find a shooter or two for every roster we have going forward that he thinks can at least be an average defender and plug in high level defenders around him.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 12:07 pm
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

That's a perfect explanation. So my next questions is why didn't Bruce adjust (not changing philosophies because that would be hard to do late season) after going multiple games struggling to score the ball?
Because two of our three guards don't have good handles. Zep's is decent.

When Arkansas started doubling the ball in the second half of our game in Fayetteville, our expectations of a Final Four run were toast. We never were able to adjust to doubling the ball, and every team did this to us down the stretch. That is the book on our current guards. They don't handle the ball well and they don't have the size and length to pass over the double team.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

One thing I hope Bruce reconsiders is his recruiting philosophy. He seems to filter out guys that he thinks can't play defense at high level and then try to find shooters from that remaining group and there are just so few shooters who are gifted defensively.


#Support

What's most frustrating about this is that at the college level, you can be a plus defender just by hustling / locked in mentally. Bryce Brown at 6'1 and with TRex arms was a very solid to good back court defender when engaged



We also need someone who can be a reliable ISO scorer. When it is nut crunching time, we need to have a go to option we trust with the ball in his hands. Not sure down by 1 in the NCAAT I'd trust a Wendell drive or Jabari spot up just trying to shoot over a guy
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 1:06 pm
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 5:25 pm to
neither of our current commits would be considered "shooters"
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36572 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 7:42 am to
quote:

In one of the press conferences at the NCAAT KD mentioned his hand bothering him since the injury at UGA and it effecting his shot. He kind of threw it in as a side comment and it did not just sound like excuse making to me. The stats are interesting.

In the first 22 games (prior to UGA injury)- he was 36-104 from three (34.5%). That included 5 road games, 12 home games, and 5 neutral site games. In the final 12 games (after UGA injury)- he was 9-51 from three (17.6%). That includes 5 road games, 4 home games, and 3 neutral site games. At first I thought maybe it was just him not shooting it well away from home late in the season but he only shot 18% at home in those last 4 home games.

The 34.5% in the first 22 games definitely lines up more with how he shot the three in his Fresh year at UGA (38.7%).

Borrowed from another thread/ site
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 7:43 am
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
4141 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 12:50 pm to
I actually did notice the ball spinning weird after his release lately, but I wasn't sure if it was something that I just didn't notice before or not.

Yohan Traore has decommitted from LSU.
Posted by tyler925
Auburn
Member since Oct 2019
1637 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

Yohan Traore has decommitted from LSU.


We have a good shot at him?
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
4141 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 1:25 pm to
We should. I imagine Bruce and Co makes a big push for him.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

quote:
In one of the press conferences at the NCAAT KD mentioned his hand bothering him since the injury at UGA and it effecting his shot. He kind of threw it in as a side comment and it did not just sound like excuse making to me. The stats are interesting.

In the first 22 games (prior to UGA injury)- he was 36-104 from three (34.5%). That included 5 road games, 12 home games, and 5 neutral site games. In the final 12 games (after UGA injury)- he was 9-51 from three (17.6%). That includes 5 road games, 4 home games, and 3 neutral site games. At first I thought maybe it was just him not shooting it well away from home late in the season but he only shot 18% at home in those last 4 home games.

The 34.5% in the first 22 games definitely lines up more with how he shot the three in his Fresh year at UGA (38.7%).

Borrowed from another thread/ site


I remember KD having that injury a while back, but nothing was reported by the media, and certainly not from Coach Pearl.

If that is something that still was lingering with him, it definitely is going to affect a long range shot w/ emphasis on the pushoff from his hand.

It does seem like with that much difference in shooting %, it must have been a legit reason for the large decrease.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

neither of our current commits would be considered "shooters"


That could be a problem. PEarl then HAS to get him a better than 40% shooting guard.

I also noticed our PGs, didn't really look to dribble drive and pull up for a mid range, better % shot.
Is that bc of our offense or more of their lack of having a midrange game? I do remember Zep and Wendell when they did somehow ended up inside the arc, they had a nice jump shot that went in most times. The problem they very rarely tried to get to that area.
Posted by TTsTowel
RIP Bow9den/Coastie
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 5:51 pm to
Very good chance at two of them.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16602 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 5:58 pm to
You guys want to keep this pinned for another month or so or I can see if Ross or one of the mods can move it into the historical thread at some point as well.

Let me know. Thx
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