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re: Auburn, Alabama, require vaccination all employees.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:18 pm to GenesChin
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:18 pm to GenesChin
Let’s see if the state offers up its threats of cutting funding and any other benefits afforded the university.
Which interestingly enough is approximately 200,000,000.00
Hmmm
Which interestingly enough is approximately 200,000,000.00
Hmmm
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:19 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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We will see if Ivey has the gumption to bring Auburn to heel.
I just looked it up, Her executive order seems to be a big nothing burger. All it really says is if a state agency enforces, they have to tell the person the state disagrees. No wonder Auburn isn't worried, there is no teeth
The bigger fight is in the court system. That will likely get resolved by the supreme court before the mandate deadline
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:27 pm to weagle99
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What an absolutely no win situation our beloved school has been placed in
Give the finger to the fed.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:38 pm to GenesChin
The AG being given direction to handle violations is hardly a nothing burger. Of course it will be a court issue at the end. No, I never expected Ivey to show strength but hopefully the AG will, but I am not betting on it.
Because everyone’s freedom comes down to money. It’s going to one day cost so much more than 200M.
An interesting twist would be if the legislative branch joins the fray.
I also want to pint out you keep keying on Harsin but it could effect 15-20% other Auburn employed people, but their livelihoods lost would be acceptable in your book eh?
Because everyone’s freedom comes down to money. It’s going to one day cost so much more than 200M.
An interesting twist would be if the legislative branch joins the fray.
I also want to pint out you keep keying on Harsin but it could effect 15-20% other Auburn employed people, but their livelihoods lost would be acceptable in your book eh?
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:51 pm to GenesChin
quote:who cares. frick Auburn University. They no longer follow the Creed in which they profess
We could not function as we know it without that $
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:58 pm to Tigerman97
quote:you interviewed him for fricks sake. Get off your high horse and stop acting like youre the arbiter of intellect. frickin poetry degree
I also happen to have personal knowledge.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 12:25 am to ChexMix
... forget him
He's way past reasoning with.
And his touting decades of safe mRNA vaccine use. Which not only paints this troll as completely arrogant, but also a liar, and also incapable of conducting an honest conversation. And the mere fact that all liability is waved for any failure of (any of) these vaccine, not only speaks volumes as to their potential shortcomings, but is also a testament to their past.
And the mRNA component is not the most worrisome aspect of this vaccine.
It's only the delivery system for the S1 (spike) subunit, which has been implicated in peer reviewed study (after study, after study...) as causing unexpected damage. And it appears to be the part of the CoVid-19 that is the most worrisome. So in essence the vaccine may be a mandated toxin. And why my Doc also doesn't see this vaccine as a panacea or worth the risk to the otherwise healthy.
And while he can claim to be looking out for the best interest of society as a whole... I can make the same argument the opposite way... with equal fervor, equal justification, and equal science. Because it's still a test and the verdict may not be the one he's promising.
He's way past reasoning with.
And his touting decades of safe mRNA vaccine use. Which not only paints this troll as completely arrogant, but also a liar, and also incapable of conducting an honest conversation. And the mere fact that all liability is waved for any failure of (any of) these vaccine, not only speaks volumes as to their potential shortcomings, but is also a testament to their past.
And the mRNA component is not the most worrisome aspect of this vaccine.
It's only the delivery system for the S1 (spike) subunit, which has been implicated in peer reviewed study (after study, after study...) as causing unexpected damage. And it appears to be the part of the CoVid-19 that is the most worrisome. So in essence the vaccine may be a mandated toxin. And why my Doc also doesn't see this vaccine as a panacea or worth the risk to the otherwise healthy.
And while he can claim to be looking out for the best interest of society as a whole... I can make the same argument the opposite way... with equal fervor, equal justification, and equal science. Because it's still a test and the verdict may not be the one he's promising.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:16 am to awestruck
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And the mere fact that all liability is waved for any failure of (any of) these vaccine,
That started in 1987 after an act passed by Congress (signed by Reagan) making it impossible to sue vaccine makers. They did this because there were tons of frivolous lawsuits in the 70's and early 80's intended to do nothing but make trial lawyers lots of money. So, no, this has nothing at all to do with these mRNA vaccines. Vaccine liability hasn't been a thing since '87.
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It's only the delivery system for the S1 (spike) subunit,
Yeah, no. That's not how it works.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 2:20 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 5:25 am to AUstar
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AUstar
Honestly, it's not worth discussing anymore. It feels like talking to someone who exclusively gets their info for their uncle's Facebook posts
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 5:26 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 5:59 am to AUstar
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Yeah, no. That's not how it works.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs
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The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) established this system, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP), in 1988. NVICP is funded by a tax of $0.75 per vaccine dose, collected from vaccine manufacturers by the U.S. Department of the Treasury. The NVICP does not cover all vaccines; however, vaccines routinely given to children as part of the recommended immunization schedule are included, and some adult vaccines are covered as well.
Under the NVICP, those claiming a vaccine injury from a covered vaccine cannot sue a vaccine manufacturer without first filing a claim with the U.S. Court of Federal Claims. Certain medical events are presumed to be side effects of vaccination as long as no other cause is found. The claim filer is reimbursed according to a formula, provided that all the medical records meet NCVIA standards and that review by the U.S. Department of Justice determines that all legal standards have been met. If a claim is denied, or if the claim is approved and the claimant rejects the compensation, only then may the claimant file a civil lawsuit.
The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act Reporting and Compensation Tables (VIT) list each covered vaccine, its associated adverse events, and the allowable interval from vaccination to onset of event. The table of vaccine injuries has been formulated on the analysis of extensive data collected by the safety system, which includes reports to VAERS, prospective studies in HMOs by CDC, and studies by academic investigators. Examples of compensable injuries are intussusseption within 30 days of receipt of oral, rhesus-based rotavirus vaccine, brachial neuritis within 0-28 days of receipt of tetanus toxoid containing vaccines, anaphylaxis within 0-4 hours of receipt of a variety of vaccines, and so on. The VIT is subject to review by DHHS, and vaccine injuries may be added to and removed from the tables depending on the best available evidence. Seizure disorder after DPT vaccination, which was the cause of many successful lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers before the NVICP, was removed from the list of compensable events in 1995 because of lack of evidence supporting a link. As new vaccines are added to the childhood immunization schedule, any associated adverse events are added to the VIT as well. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services publishes the tables here.
Compensation payments from NVICP have averaged $782,136 per successful claim through 2011, with an additional $113 million dispersed to pay attorney fees and legal costs (the act awards attorney fees and costs for unsuccessful claims provided that the litigants bring their claims in good faith and upon a reasonable basis, as well as for successful claims). Compensation for a death resulting from vaccination is capped at $250,000. As of December 1, 2011, the program had awarded $2.35 billion in 2,810 separate claims, including compensation for 390 deaths.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:07 am to AUstar
quote:You are correct for non-experimental vaccines...however, this vax is not one of those and was made exempt because it went direct to human trials....so yeah...
Vaccine liability hasn't been a thing since '87.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:14 am to 88TIger
Yeah the govt made this vaccine liability exempt because companies knew it required so little time to make the drug and wouldn’t have produced w/o.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 8:15 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:14 am to 88TIger
You can argue the validity of the Covid Vaccine. I am pro vaccine, but anti-mandate.
Still Biden's puts every major college in the same boat. Georgia announced Thursday, Auburn and the Alabama System (UAT, UAB, UAH) on Friday, Mississippi schools on Monday (Mike Leach will be interesting).
BOTTOM LINE: It is clear that you must be vaccinated or lose your job. Tenured professors may can go on sabbatical. Others maybe furloughed (no pay) and hired back after the deadline.
Still Biden's puts every major college in the same boat. Georgia announced Thursday, Auburn and the Alabama System (UAT, UAB, UAH) on Friday, Mississippi schools on Monday (Mike Leach will be interesting).
BOTTOM LINE: It is clear that you must be vaccinated or lose your job. Tenured professors may can go on sabbatical. Others maybe furloughed (no pay) and hired back after the deadline.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:10 am to jangalang
Harsin seems like a strong leader and I hope we hold onto him for a long time.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:14 am to ChexMix
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you interviewed him for fricks sake. Get off your high horse and stop acting like youre the arbiter of intellect. frickin poetry degree
Nice. Well said. I'd turn down the emotion a bit.
The emotional response to this stuff is puzzling.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 9:17 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:20 am to jangalang
He also doesn’t give AF about any of our ill informed opinions either.
I can dig it. He’s right too.
I do have a nephew in the coaching profession as an OC at a D1 and he said that the average fan has very little idea of what it really takes and the things coaches and in particular a head coach has to do and goes through. He also said people don’t really understand how a game plan is formed. Like a play they run a couple of times that bears little is actually done to set up other plays that are successful. He offered a lot more in depth thoughts on it.
He also said all coaches know social media is an aspect they must learn to live with and some let’s it eat them up and others learn to shed or not even give it any thought.
I can dig it. He’s right too.
I do have a nephew in the coaching profession as an OC at a D1 and he said that the average fan has very little idea of what it really takes and the things coaches and in particular a head coach has to do and goes through. He also said people don’t really understand how a game plan is formed. Like a play they run a couple of times that bears little is actually done to set up other plays that are successful. He offered a lot more in depth thoughts on it.
He also said all coaches know social media is an aspect they must learn to live with and some let’s it eat them up and others learn to shed or not even give it any thought.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:32 am to 88TIger
Because all of the animals died in all the other trials so they skipped that part this time.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:37 am to AUstar
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That started in 1987 after an act passed by Congress (signed by Reagan) making it impossible to sue vaccine makers. They did this because there were tons of frivolous lawsuits in the 70's and early 80's intended to do nothing but make trial lawyers lots of money. So, no, this has nothing at all to do with these mRNA vaccines. Vaccine liability hasn't been a thing since '87.
Thank you.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:55 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Like a play they run a couple of times that bears little is actually done to set up other plays that are successful.
I feel like most people who played football would understand this aspect of the game and other knowledgeable fans.
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