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re: Auburn, Alabama, require vaccination all employees.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 12:35 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 10/26/21 at 12:35 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Jonesy
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Posted on 10/26/21 at 12:38 pm to ThaiTiger24
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You guys are all spending way too much energy trying to convince someone of your point where the reality is that no one really gives a shite what your opinion is and won’t change their opinion regardless of what you say. Save that energy to go do some good for this world. Life is too short.
To the contrary. This is an actually big issue. It's not sports or entertainment or is Trump mean, it's a legitimate question of government authority and control over the most personal aspects of your life. And, whether that can be exerted under questionable pretenses.
Personally the vax fight doesn't mean much to me, I'm pro-vax and glad to have gotten it. But I don't fault people who view it as a hill to die on.
In a culture of stupidity this is a legitimate issue. If people got serious about these fights of consequence, we'd probably get on with the hard work of splitting up the country so that we could "save that energy to go do some good for this world." But right now that's impeded, IMO.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 12:39 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Just shut your business down and stay indoors for two weeks and we’ll have this thing beat. Be sure to wear a piece of cloth over your face and stay away from friends and family.
Just two more weeks, promise. Gotta get those case numbers down.
Just a few more months and it’ll be done for sure. Need to cancel all activities and keep your children home from school for a year.
Alright we’ve got a vaccine, surely we are done with this soon.
Just a few more months.
Oh, now you still are required to mask up and socially distance even if vaccinated, darn.
Just a few more months and we will absolutely have this virus “shut down”
Surely the boosters and firing those that didn’t get the vaccine you still have to wear a mask with will be the end of this thing once and for all.
what a fricking two years man, I will never look at society at large in quite the same way
Just two more weeks, promise. Gotta get those case numbers down.
Just a few more months and it’ll be done for sure. Need to cancel all activities and keep your children home from school for a year.
Alright we’ve got a vaccine, surely we are done with this soon.
Just a few more months.
Oh, now you still are required to mask up and socially distance even if vaccinated, darn.
Just a few more months and we will absolutely have this virus “shut down”
Surely the boosters and firing those that didn’t get the vaccine you still have to wear a mask with will be the end of this thing once and for all.
what a fricking two years man, I will never look at society at large in quite the same way
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 1:02 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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All we need is two weeks to flatten the curve
Hardest part of two weeks to flatten the curve is the first year and a half.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 1:05 pm to RandySavage
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You honestly think the last year and a half has been all about safety and the government hasn't used this to increase their power and control over most aspects of our lives?
I have no worry whatsoever that this will change the control the government had or didn't have over me. After all I suspect every person posting in this or other vaccine related threads have vaccines the government required of them already.
I do believe the early handling of the pandemic was poor...I also believed then and now it didn't matter who was in charge. Summer of 2020 and Summer of 2021 supported that thought. It's a difficult issue and was going to be difficult no matter how it was handled.
For me there are a billion examples of the government requiring me to do things for the great safety of everyone. I know we live in an increasingly polarized world and that is likely the sole culprit to this particular phenomenon of reaction on both sides. However, when I was told I couldn't fly with a small knife I started checking them on hunting and fishing trips. Same thing when my dad couldn't smoke in restaurants anymore, he just stopped. I just paid a fine when I was younger even though at the time I thought a seatbelt law was stupid. For me I accept the broader realities of the freedoms I am proud to enjoy come with some cost. I have said several times I wish people would look at the data and get vaccinated because there isn't a logical argument not to do it. I know you and others disagree we don't really have to continue hashing that out. Other than purposely trolling a bit...I don't support mandates but I do recognize the power to mandate when the publics greater good is at stake. The government and more directly private business via our capitalist system has always held that power.
Harsin will be an interesting case if vaccine mandates hold as the courts seem to be suggesting about these mandates will at least in the few early challenges. If he gives up this gig to prevent getting vaccinated I'd give him props for sticking to his beliefs and think him ignorant while doing it. The more likely reality is he'll get vaccinated and I honestly hope all the gnashing of teeth over this wasn't his intention and was an unfortunate by-product of the role he finds himself in at this time.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 1:10 pm to Tigerman97
thoughtful message, but it should be pretty clear that while many people believe in the social contract to some degree in their dealings with one another and the government, that to many including myself the culmination of federal and state and institutional policies imposed upon people in the last two years as part of the “War on COVID” was simply too much sacrifice for too little return and people are simply tired of hearing about how the next new policy or mandate is going to finally be the end of this thing.
I think the macro landscape of high inflation rates, undereducated youth, supply chain disruptions, and countless small businesses going under illustrate a clear cost of adhering to these statutes and government responses, and I can’t say I believe even for a second that it was a cost worth paying for the results achieved.
I think the macro landscape of high inflation rates, undereducated youth, supply chain disruptions, and countless small businesses going under illustrate a clear cost of adhering to these statutes and government responses, and I can’t say I believe even for a second that it was a cost worth paying for the results achieved.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 1:19 pm to Tigerman97
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I have said several times I wish people would look at the data and get vaccinated because there isn't a logical argument not to do it.
When you say things like this, you lose credibility.
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I do recognize the power to mandate when the publics greater good is at stake
Posted on 10/26/21 at 1:28 pm to HailToTheChiz
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When you say things like this, you lose credibility.
I thought we established earlier in the thread nobody is changing anybody's mind. So what does it matter. People are throwing around words like commie, fascist, etc...saying there isn't a logical reason to not get the shot based on the available data doesn't seem over the top. I was just replying to a question asked of me. I have zero belief Macho is going to suddenly change his/her mind.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 1:37 pm to Ross
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I think the macro landscape of high inflation rates, undereducated youth, supply chain disruptions, and countless small businesses going under illustrate a clear cost of adhering to these statutes and government responses, and I can’t say I believe even for a second that it was a cost worth paying for the results achieved.
Ironically, we aren't that far off here. I wasn't in favor of schools closing and especially not opening in Fall of 2020 based on the available info. I also believed small businesses, etc...shouldn't have been shuttered. The balance I prefer that was often not accepted is a barber shop wearing masks (masks aren't full proof) but do assist in slowing transmission. While some feel that is an infringement I see it as a way to allow money to be made and common sense to prevail. You could pick any other aspect and I'd have a similar opinion. I live in a younger conservative area with a high population of black males which are the two least vaccinated groups in the US and have been for some time. I see behavior that seems risking and at times intrusive to those around them. I also travel to liberal areas and giggle at people wearing mask outside when data from 2020 summer protest/riots suggest you ain't catching covid outside in a large group of people. This fall and football stadiums has proven that point a second time about outdoor transmission.
I feel like a balance could have been struck. History suggest it is possible. The pandemic in the 20's people willing made some sacrifices to their normal life but in general the US charged forward. Admittedly we were less paranoid in those days.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 1:51 pm to RandySavage
quote:My sister, who's fairly level-headed otherwise, is emploring her two sons to get the mRNA therapy. They are both in their 20's and are healthy. The youngest was a scholly tennis player at Reinhardt University and just graduated 2-3 years ago. He's still in super good shape. I know he's had Covid because he called me when he tested positive to ask about my protocol, which was essentially just more liquids and less running. I try to stay out of it, but he asked me directly if I was vaccinated and I said; 'Hell no. There's no stage 3 data on adverse outcomes and complications, and you're also 24 and at no risk. Don't do it.' His older brother works at a billion dollar corporation and has a 2-year-old and another on the way so I would guess he had to get the shot, but I haven't spoken to him about it.
Only if your head is so far in the sand you can't see what is really going on.
I actually think the opposite and that the response is extremely muted compared to what it should be.
To your point, this transcends a virus. This is a societal test conducted by those in political power that the US population is failing to date, IMO. There are multiple levels of complicity as well both inside and outside the government.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:04 pm to alpinetiger
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Australia and New Zealand
My company does a lot of business there. I've always wanted to go, but have taken them off the list. I had no idea that they were that draconian.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:13 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Jonesy
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:44 pm to Tigerman97
quote:As long as the government policies align with your ideology.
I have no worry whatsoever that this will change the control the government had or didn't have over me.
quote:The mind of a liberal. Stop signs work, take this experimental injection.
For me there are a billion examples of the government requiring me to do things for the great safety of everyone.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:49 pm to ChexMix
I’m gonna take some Tylenol for my headache to keep you from getting one.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:51 pm to Tigerman97
We obviously disagree but I do appreciate what appears to be a genuine attempt to answer.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:57 pm to Ross
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I will never look at society at large in quite the same way
A positive is that you and others have had your eyes opened.
I don’t say that with condescension.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 3:23 pm to ChexMix
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As long as the government policies align with your ideology.
Nope
Posted on 10/26/21 at 3:40 pm to Ross
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what a fricking two years man, I will never look at society at large in quite the same way
Welcome on board!
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:12 pm to GenesChin
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Hot take to suggest that Harsin is more important than our ROTC program, professors whose research rely on federal grants or students who can only attend AU through federal loans/grants.
If this mandate isn't overturned, hard to see a good argument that the moral thing is screwing over the entire University and people/city that rely on its success
So if you are suggesting Auburn should choose someone's right for "employment status" why aren't we considering all the rights of the AU people who likely lose their jobs in inevitable budget cuts / bankrupt programs?
Auburn doesn't get to choose if the mandate is upheld, we do get to choose how to respond with what's best for our community. I sure hope we make the right decision
Gene doesn't seem to believe in the principle of God-given rights having priority (clearly stated in our Constitution) over government coercion.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:18 pm to Ross
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Just shut your business down and stay indoors for two weeks and we’ll have this thing beat. Be sure to wear a piece of cloth over your face and stay away from friends and family.
Just two more weeks, promise. Gotta get those case numbers down.
Just a few more months and it’ll be done for sure. Need to cancel all activities and keep your children home from school for a year.
Alright we’ve got a vaccine, surely we are done with this soon.
Just a few more months.
Oh, now you still are required to mask up and socially distance even if vaccinated, darn.
Just a few more months and we will absolutely have this virus “shut down”
Surely the boosters and firing those that didn’t get the vaccine you still have to wear a mask with will be the end of this thing once and for all.
what a fricking two years man, I will never look at society at large in quite the same way
Beautifully stated.
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